Catholics, voting and abortion

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Registered: 08-15-2008
Catholics, voting and abortion
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Thu, 10-30-2008 - 11:44am

I heard this interesting piece on NPR this morning about catholics who are voting for Obama.

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Registered: 08-24-2008
Thu, 11-06-2008 - 1:01am

~I believe the role of the church, not the government, is to care for the poor (again, biblically mandated).~


Hi, Sarah, welcome back :)


I respectfully disagree.

 

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Registered: 07-13-2007
Thu, 11-06-2008 - 1:58am

Hi, thanks for the welcome back. :)



Well, from a Christian perspective, God has told us for certain what

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Registered: 11-29-2005
Thu, 11-06-2008 - 6:49am

I understand that people can/will disagree with this, but

 


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Thu, 11-06-2008 - 7:49am

Out of curiosity, what is your view on the death penalty?

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Thu, 11-06-2008 - 9:43am

I guess the key is that you cannot biblically justify calling other issues more

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Thu, 11-06-2008 - 11:02am

>>You can try to justify that biblically; I would listen.<<

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Numbers 5: 11-31

Then the priest shall bring her near, and set her before the Lord; the priest shall take holy water in an earthen vessel, and take some of the dust that is on the floor of the tabernacle and put it into the water. The priest shall set the woman before the Lord, dishevel the woman's hair, and place in her hands a grain offering of remembrance, which is the grain offering of jealousy. In his own hand the priest shall have the water of bitterness that brings the curse. Then the priest shall make her take an oath, saying, "If no man has lain with you, if you have not turned aside to uncleanness while under your husband's authority, be immune to this water of bitterness that brings the curse. But if you have gone astray while under your husband's authority, if you have defiled yourself and some man other than your husband has had intercourse with you," -- let the priest make the woman take the oath of the curse and say to the woman -- " the Lord make you an execration and an oath among your people, when the Lord makes your uterus drop, your womb discharge; now may this water that brings the curse enter your bowels and make your womb discharge, your uterus drop!" And the woman shall say, "Amen. Amen." Then the priest shall put these curses in writing, and wash them off into the water of bitterness. He shall make the woman drink the water of bitterness that brings the curse, and the water that brings the curse shall enter her and cause bitter pain. The priest shall take the grain offering of jealousy out of the woman's hand, and shall elevate the grain offering before the Lord and bring it to the altar; and the priest shall take a handful of the grain offering, as its memorial portion, and turn it into smoke on the altar, and afterward shall make the woman drink the water.

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Thu, 11-06-2008 - 11:17am

I do not believe that God finds it the most important issue of our day.


I appreciate Misa's contribution of the bible quote,

 


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Thu, 11-06-2008 - 12:31pm

Anyway, the way I see it is that it is the duty of a government to bring order to a society, and keep violence in check, meaning making effort to protect the innocent but also making effort to war against evil/evildoers.


Ah, but here is where there's a problem. I agree entirely with that sentence, although I think we would disagree on the definition of a key word. I would include in my definition of "evil" not providing food to hungry people, healthcare to everyone, and clothing and shelter to those without. So I see it as being the government's duty to provide that most basic care for its citizens. Do you agree with my assessment of the word "evil" or were you simply meaning "someone who performs a violent act against another"?


It's all very subjective, which is why I prefer that religion be left out of our government.


Also, what do you think is the duty of a government when "making effort to protect the innocent" is in conflict with "making effort to war against evil/evildoers"? What happens in times of war, when innocents must die in order to literally war against the evildoers?


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Thu, 11-06-2008 - 11:26pm

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Fri, 11-07-2008 - 12:02am

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Well I agree that evil is the reason when the poor are not being cared for, but yes, thanks for helping me specify specifically what type of evil. When the Bible talks about government's role, its role in fighting evil is more 'negative'-- "bearing the sword," so it seems to be referring to literally fighting evil, not just promoting good to lessen evil.


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Well that's a good question but I think when war is justified, it is because we are ultimately trying to protect life. We wage war on those who are using power to destroy others unjustly. I believe war is justified when we are trying to remove the power of those types of people/governments, in order to protect the lives that are being targeted. And yes, many times innocent lives are taken because of war, but