Catholics, voting and abortion

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Registered: 08-15-2008
Catholics, voting and abortion
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Thu, 10-30-2008 - 11:44am

I heard this interesting piece on NPR this morning about catholics who are voting for Obama.

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Registered: 08-15-2008
Fri, 11-07-2008 - 9:04am

Yes, I agree that many churches see it as their duty to love.

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Registered: 03-23-2008
Fri, 11-07-2008 - 2:47pm

Well that's a good question but I think when war is justified, it is because we are ultimately trying to protect life.


And I think when abortion is justified, it is because we are ultimately trying to protect life as well -- the mother's.


And yes, many times innocent lives are taken because of war, but

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Registered: 08-31-2004
Fri, 11-07-2008 - 2:56pm

Oh, that's not true at all!>

Just tagging on here - the Blitz (both sides), Coventry and Dresden are all examples of civilian targets being deliberately targeted in the hopes of demoralising and weakening the enemy.

baby siggy
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Sat, 11-08-2008 - 1:01am

As far as the death penalty goes, you have to remember their is biblical emphasis on not killing the innocent. Guilty murderers are... guilty. And atoning for the lives of the innocence is not revenge, but justice, and should not be used to "make our lives easier," but to uphold justice.


As far as war goes, first of all, I don't think every act of war is justified, and honestly I do not know about any particular act of war to judge whether or not it was justified. But I do know that just because innocent people are killed in a war does not make the act of war unjustified. Biblically, it seems to me (and I am no expert on this issue, even by a long shot), that while God views us as individuals, he also views us corporately/nationally. Individuals will be judged by their actions and I also know that nations will be judged by their actions. It seems that biblically, war is a national issue, so while there may be innocent people living in a nation that is acting evil overall, God knows that when innocent people are killed in war, we were warring against the nation... does that make sense? I could be wrong; I should look further into why I believe what I do on this topic but that is how I view it.


And then back to the issue of the gov't caring for the needy-- I completely agree that it is good for the government to care for the needy, I'm just saying I don't think it's their first obligation. And also that as far as God goes, it seems like he will hold accountable first the

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Registered: 08-24-2008
Sat, 11-08-2008 - 1:32am

~As far as the death penalty goes, you have to remember their is biblical emphasis on not killing the innocent. Guilty murderers are... guilty.~


I think you and I have been around this block before, but it's worth stating again - there are

 

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Registered: 07-13-2007
Sat, 11-08-2008 - 2:19am

Yeah, we've been here before. :)


All I can say that when an innocent man dies because he was convicted of murder, it's a tragedy. I'm not sure it's worth throwing out the death penalty over though. It's not like I'm all excited about the death penalty or anything; I really think having it or not having it is okay. If we could be SURE that all those executed were truly guilty, then I think there would be no question over the issue. Since we do sometimes wrongly convict the innocent, though, I can see why the death penalty is rejected in some areas. I don't know if it's better to err on the side of caution to save one innocent man, or to (very, very carefully) risk making a mistake in order to uphold the ultimate payment for an ultimate crime (justice). I really just don't know.


But what I do know is that, for argument's sake, you can logically/consistently be pro-death penalty for a guilty murderer and be

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Registered: 08-24-2008
Sat, 11-08-2008 - 4:12am

~All I can say that when an innocent man dies because he was convicted of murder, it's a tragedy.~


It's not a tragedy - it's preventable, unnecessary, and done purposefully with the full knowledge that

 

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Registered: 08-15-2008
Sat, 11-08-2008 - 1:50pm

>>>But like I said, it gets sticky because the gov't needs to be careful who they care for. For example, if they "help" pay for abortions, they are

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Registered: 08-31-2004
Sun, 11-09-2008 - 8:18am

My SO is in security and sees this on a regular basis.



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baby siggy
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Sun, 11-09-2008 - 11:55am

As far as war goes, first of all, I don't think every act of war is justified


If an act of war is not justified, does that then taint the morality of the war itself? If acts of war are unjustified, can the war itself still be justified?


For me, because there is even a possibility that we will put someone innocent to death, the death penalty is immoral.


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