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Thu, 06-03-2010 - 3:32pm

Where do we start with the judges. Judges get promoted up through the ranks like other employees but can be promoted from every where. Do you pay attention to how


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Thu, 06-03-2010 - 4:42pm
I read the article and actually found it quite scary. Religion has no place in a courtroom
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Thu, 06-03-2010 - 6:45pm
Yeah, the LGBT archive I volunteer for was talking about trying to mobilize some voters against it. FTR, I live in San Diego, at least until Saturday.




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Fri, 06-04-2010 - 11:50am

<<"We believe our country is under assault and needs Christian values," said Craig Candelore...>>


This stood out to me right away.

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Fri, 06-04-2010 - 2:16pm
If they ever start inserting prayer into my kids' classrooms, mine WILL stand up and say the Wiccan Rede.
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Sat, 06-12-2010 - 12:15am
This country WAS founded with Christian values. The phrase "...under God..." is in our pledge and on our money. Christiantity is the only religion that capitilizes the word God and last time I checkd, it's capitalized on money and the pledge. The same money that pays for the abortions. Prayer will never be a "class-wide" practice in schools but my child better be allowed to pray if they feel the need to. If my Christian child should be subjected to teaching of evolution and "Big Bang theory", then why can't your child be subjected to "creation"? That would be equality.

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Sat, 06-12-2010 - 8:36am

>>This country WAS founded with Christian values.<<

Wich christian values? I was honestly under the impression that many settlers fled to teh new world top escape religious persecution

>>The phrase "...under God..." is in our pledge and on our money<<

Andf that was added during the cold war i believe

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Sat, 06-12-2010 - 9:08am

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This counmtry was founded, in great part, by deists who sought to separate religion form government to ensure freedom of religious expression to ALL people. including pagans. So get used to it. Your kid is going to hear as much about sabbats as mine will about God if he or she is sitting next to mine at school, LOL.

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Fact: "Under God" didn't appear until 1954 in the Pledge.
http://oldtimeislands.org/pledge/pledge.htm
Fact: "In God We Trust" did not appear on our currency until 1864.

Both events occurred well after our "founding".

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They CAN be taught to do it privately you know ;-)
But if you want ALL of the kids to hear it, then be prepared to have some circles cast an the elements drawn down around them too.

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Actually, my kids are being trained in Roman Catholicism as well as paganism. They've received the sacraments of Baptism, Reconciliation and Holy Communion. They've heard about the creation myths- and those of many other cultures as well ;-) ALL of them belong in a World Religion Class though- NOT the science class. That would be the intelligent way to present this kind of study.

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Wed, 06-16-2010 - 1:52am

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Since 1954. Not since 1776.

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The same money that pays for hitmen, and war contractors who act like mercenaries. The same money that provided the training for Osama bin Laden. What's your point? It's a piece of combined cotton and linen, that happens to have a representative value in our society.

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I think you have confused the banning of state-sanctioned prayer with the banning of prayer altogether. Of course children may pray in schools, for no one has control over another's thoughts. But the idea that your children might be forced in school to pray to Allah, or Yahweh? Do you like that any more than the non-Christian or non-religious parents who saw their children being forced to pray to God?

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Yes, I think it would be great if we taught children the Mesoamerican creation stories. Oh, you weren't talking about that one? You must be talking about Creationism, which is a hypothesis that cannot be tested. Evolution and the Big Bang are theories, which means that they can and have been tested, and have not been disproven. Until Creationism has been tried and passed the tests so far as evolution has, it will and should be relegated to teaching of religious studies, not science.

Equality would be teaching all creation stories, not just the ones you think are important. If you want your children only to learn the things you want them to learn, then by all means, keep them home and teach them yourself. Restrict their contact with others of differing beliefs and experiences. But don't assume that you're doing them a service for it. After all, an untested faith is an unproven faith.




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Tue, 06-22-2010 - 9:40am

((This country WAS founded with Christian values. ))


"Values" are not exclusive to Christianity. And many of the founding fathers were deists, not Christians.


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Thu, 06-24-2010 - 6:10pm

>>The phrase "...under God..." is in our pledge and on our money<<
>And that was added during the cold war i believe

That was added in the 1950's.

I copied this from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_church_and_state_in_the_United_States

"The separation of church and state is a legal and political principle derived from various documents of several of the Founders of the United States. The First Amendment to the United States Constitution reads "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof . . ." The modern concept is often credited to the writings of English philosopher John Locke, but the phrase "separation of church and state" is generally traced to an 1802 letter by Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptists, where Jefferson spoke of the combined effect of the Establishment Clause and the Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment. His purpose in this letter was to assuage the fears of the Danbury, Connecticut Baptists, and so he told them that this wall had been erected to protect them. The metaphor was intended, as The U.S. Supreme Court has interpreted it, to mean that religion and government must stay separate for the benefit of both, including the idea that the government must not impose religion on Americans nor create any law requiring it. It has since been in several opinions handed down by the United States Supreme Court, though the Court has not always fully embraced the principle."




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