TO CHRISTIAN PRO-LIFERS

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Thu, 08-16-2007 - 3:46pm

Hi guys. I just got done typing this letter to someone in particular in a different discussion, but then after posting and re-reading it, I decided to repost it here in a new discussion so that it will less likely be missed. I feel that this will be encouraging message to anyone who is against abortion, who believes in God as the one and only God as He has revealed Himself in the Bible.

I just want to tell you that I have been reading this entire discussion, and wanted to just send you a word of encouragement. Girl, do not get downhearted or discouraged. On this board, we may never see what we desire to see. Remember, Christian, that we can do NOTHING on our own! You have something to say, but only God has the ability to actually drive it home to that person. Do not count on your own persuasive abilities to do anything. Do you feel that God called you to this board? If so, then persevere! Trust in God that He will do what He has set you out to do. God doesn't want us to start trusting him AFTER we see that He's at work; He wants us to trust Him BEFORE we see what He's up to-- that's faith. I know you know this!! Have the faith to continue even when you are opposed, taken the wrong way, attacked, and there seems to be no hope.

You said you are a Christian. I don't know what denomination you belong to, if any, and that couldn't matter less!! But as Christians, you and I have something (not everything of course) in common, and I have been so blessed and encouraged to hear what type of values you have, and that you know who you truly are. But I just wanted to bring up one thing in particular that I disagree with you on, and see if it might make a difference:

You have said that you don't want to bring religion into this because abortion can be debated without religion, and pro-lifers have a case to make even without mentioning God. You're right-- that is true. But I just want to ask the question-- Even if we could convince the whole world to live "God's way" without bringing God into it, what good would that do, if it wasn't acknowledged as God's way? You might say, well it would save some babies. BUT if God's eternal purpose was just that we live His way, he would never have given us free will in the first place. Things would have just gone on continually in their perfect way, and that would have been that. But His eternal purpose is that His name will be glorified, and that man would have a heart after God (hence the choice), and that those who choose of their own free will to accept Him and give up their lives for Him (as He did for us), He will shower those people with His intense love for all of eternity!! So while He loves these babies that we are trying to protect, if it were merely His purpose to save their lives for the sake of saving their lives, He could accomplish that in an instant and no more babies would ever die. But we notice that He does not do that. He wants to save these babies by means of humans choosing to follow God, and in that being glorified.

Okay so anyway, if you leave religion out of it, and you just use "human morals," and pure logic, you almost always end up with one person saying, "Here's what I think," and the other person saying, "Okay, well I disagree and here's what I think," and so you end up just realizing that you both just disagree, and the other person isn't usually going to be convinced. And I'm guessing the reason you want to leave your religion out of it is because if your readers don't believe in God, or in the authority of the Bible, they can just say, "Well I don't even believe in that so it doesn't apply to me." And then you're at another standstill. So whether you use your religion or not, usually a standstill is the result.

But I want to remind you, sister, that the Word of God never returns void! Although God can certainly use our normal, non-religious conversations, and our logic and debating abilities to get His points across, we ought to remember there is Spirit and power in the Word, and how much more might God accomplish if we would also let Him speak for Himself!

If we never present Scripture because the person has no belief and so we think "what good would that do if it holds no weight for them?" we are in error. Instead, we ought to present it boldly, trusting GOD (not our own assumptions) with their response. We never know how God may be working in a person's heart/mind (even without that person's awareness of it), and how the Spirit may "suddenly" do a great work in the life/heart of even an unbeliever through the presentation of His Word-- Scripture. Most of the time, people reject it, but we cannot be discouraged by that. After all, we already knew that most of the world rejects God.

The more I think about this-- the more I think that there are a lot of people who believe in God (or want to), but have wrong beliefs about Him (for example, they don't believe He is ALL good, 100% of the time). And next to complete unbelief, THAT is the core issue of the abortion problem, and every other problem for that matter.

Anyway, I respect your decision to leave your religion out of this, but thought maybe it would be encouraging to tell you that at least one of us would TRULY like to know your religious-- let's say spiritual-- views on this topic. After all, even the ones who you have been debating have expressed that they want you to explain how your religion plays into this. They are right about at least one thing! This is a religious issue. Every issue is.

P.S. I also want to remind you that when you post anything from the Bible, do not do so without guidance of the Holy Spirit. Remember that even Satan quoted Scripture to Jesus when trying to tempt Him, but since He was twisting the meaning of the passages, or neglecting the meaning of other passages, Jesus was easily able to refute the misuse of Scripture. The true use and meaning of the Scripture is discerned by the Holy Spirit, who happens to dwell within a Christian.




Edited 8/16/2007 3:50 pm ET by little_s

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Thu, 08-16-2007 - 4:01pm
I think you took a wrong turn on your way to the "Religious Propaganda" board. This is the Abortion Debate board. We debate abortion here. We do not practice evangelism.

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Thu, 08-16-2007 - 4:03pm
??? You should probably keep direct references to an individual and their specific post in the original thread. Especially since others would be unable to follow the line of discussion without any references to the original thread.
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Thu, 08-16-2007 - 4:30pm
Ummm...why do you assume that all Christians take the PL stance? Most Christians I know are PC.


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Thu, 08-16-2007 - 4:44pm

This is my answer to the past 3 posts.

I'm here to debate abortion too... I'm just encouraging those who share my view on the topic. That is allowed.

If it's against the rules to refer to a particular person's comment in a new thread, or if that person complains, I will gladly rewrite it and repost it without refering to that person in the new post.

I do not assume that all Christians are pro-life. That's why I chose for the subject title to say "TO CHRISTIAN PRO-LIFERS" rather than just "TO CHRISTIANS" or "TO PRO-LIFERS." I was writing to Christian pro-lifers.




Edited 8/16/2007 4:45 pm ET by little_s
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Thu, 08-16-2007 - 4:47pm

What precisely do you want to debate?

Seems to me this post would be more appropriate in the personal messages folder.


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Thu, 08-16-2007 - 4:57pm

Oh my Goodness!

This is a perfect example why I strayed from God for 10 years. I let his wayward sheeple speak for Him and did not let Him speak to my heart directly.

Do not preach to your fellow Christians as if YOU are the one with the proper interpretation of His will. It's highly offensive and downright loopy. Do not claim to know more or know better. You don't have the answers to questions the rest of us do not. You are in the same boat as us. Jesus saw in colours and not in black and white. He knows our hearts, so how dare you tell others to "persevere" as if we are wayward and need to be "saved". What biased nonsense.

You don't speak of the God I know, and how do you know that Satan isn't working through you when you quote scripture?

My heart tells me that abortion is wrong, but that there is so much suffering in the world for women that they are forced to kill their own in order to prevent their suffering and the suffering of their own offspring. Work to change THAT instead of arguing to remove the symptom of the real problem, and then I'll believe you have the holy spirit living within you and not just dogma fever.




Edited 8/16/2007 4:58 pm ET by dbl007
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Thu, 08-16-2007 - 5:53pm
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Oh my Goodness!


This is a perfect example why I strayed from God for 10 years. I let his wayward sheeple speak for Him and did not let Him speak to my heart directly.>>


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Thu, 08-16-2007 - 7:44pm
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Thu, 08-16-2007 - 8:06pm

"My heart tells me that abortion is wrong,"

Really!?!?!? See, I stay away from here for awhile, and things change!

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Thu, 08-16-2007 - 8:31pm

"Really!?!?!? See, I stay away from here for awhile, and things change!"

Yes, that's what you GET for staying away!

If you have a chance, read my thread about Changing Views. Your's is an opinion I'd love to hear.

I hope your summer has been fantabulous, Harriott!

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