clarification to everyone

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clarification to everyone
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Tue, 08-16-2011 - 12:23pm
I missunderstood what pro life was. I personally would choose not to have an abortion unless health or something extreme were at stake. I believe all women should have the freedom to make an educated informed decision and not be bullied. I still from what I have heard hate partial birth abortion. I believe women should have access to safe abortions but Im not opposed to precounseling as long as its not bullying and seeing an ultra sound. If Im wrong or missinformed Im willing to listen and eat crow

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Registered: 06-24-2009
Tue, 08-16-2011 - 3:15pm

I appreciate your post - and think that indeed, I've misinterpreted some of your statements.

I think that the whole "partial birth abortion" furor has been misunderstood by so many, even those who are pro-choice, simply because Pro-lifers won the propaganda war on that.

There is no such procedure known in medical literature as a "partial birth abortion." There is something called an intact dilation and extraction, which is what PLs want you to believe is a common procedure.

http://www.ehow.com/way_5903757_intact-dilation-extraction-medical-procedures.html

The procedure that is referenced in legislation banning "partial birth abortion"

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Tue, 08-16-2011 - 7:57pm
Thank you.for the Clearing up btw I despise Randal Terry ugh
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Tue, 08-16-2011 - 10:27pm
So I decided to look up (goodgle) what the alternatives to an iD&X are. FIrst, I tried to figure out how often they are done and why. Frankly, I didn't find out much on the why, as it seems little to no data is kept on the "why" behind an iD&X. By Why I mean if it was medically necessary or not. From my, admittedly very cursory "research" (in quotes, because it was just a quick google and scan of various sources), it seems that regardless of the reason that iD&X account for less than one percent of abortion procedures. Also, they are done only when there no other safer options, to save the mother and when the fetus is incompatible wth life.

So, back to my original question: what are the alternatives to this procedure? (and are they safer?)
So far, I found D&E - dialation and evacuation, where the uterus is dialated, a cutterage device is used to scrape the uterus and break up the fetus, and then suction is used to remove the pieces. (Frankly, if someone were concerned over the possibility of pain the fetus might feel. I think being hacked apart is way more painful, but that's just my wacky opinion.)

There's a c-section like procedure where the fetus is removed, and can result in severe harm to the woman's health: death, hemorraging, infection, infertility.

Also, an induction procedure, involving fully dialating the cervix and then inducing labor, which sounds "okay" but if the woman reacts to the drugs, becomes to weak to continue with the labor and...why on earth should she have to labor for hours to produce a dead baby? (Unless, she chooses to do so, as this procdure is the only one I found aside from iD&X that would allow her to have a child to hold and say goodbye to.) Hemorraging, uterine rupture, etc. possible


Oh and I read somewhere that iD&X only partially dialates the cervix, in order to put less stress on the cervix and uterus, allowing for minimal impact/damage on the woman's reproductive organs.

Anyway, I *seek* information on procedures that are safer than iD&X, if the situation warranted an iD&X. It seems to me that a rare procedure that was the safest in the cases in which it was, albeit very rarely, used has been replaced by procedures that are far more harmful to the woman/girl involed....and as I pointed out before vastly more painful to the fetus (depending on its development etc. because a normal, healthy 27 week fetus in all likelihood has very different deveopmental track then a fetus that is anacephalic - in which case has no brain and therefore no way feel "pain", etc.)

TIA for anyone that can offer up some information.

MM

"It is right to be contented with what we have, but never with what we are."

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Registered: 05-28-2011
Wed, 08-17-2011 - 3:04pm
I would have a big problem if the.fetus felt any pain. What is the facts though?
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Registered: 05-28-2011
Thu, 08-18-2011 - 1:11am
Crud after reading links on how the pro life movement is behaving Im shocked at their brutal treatment toward women. Believe me ladies I have never felt this way. When did the pro life movement become anti woman?
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Registered: 06-24-2009
Fri, 08-19-2011 - 1:54pm

Medical experts say that the nervous system is not developed enough to feel pain until about 26 weeks. Even then, they're not really sure how soon after that pain is felt.

My understanding is that

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Registered: 06-24-2009
Fri, 08-19-2011 - 1:58pm

Actually, IDX is one way that a woman can hold an anencephalic fetus after birth.The fluid engorged head is often way too big to fit through the birth canal), and some providers will refill the head with gel to a normal size, so the family can hold the baby and even take photos.

I understand that Dr. Tiller did this at his practice.

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Registered: 06-24-2009
Fri, 08-19-2011 - 1:59pm

I think that the political Pro-Life movement is based on a suspicion of and anger at women, far more than a love of babies.

People that mistrust or are angry at women find a welcome home in the Pro-Life movement.

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Sat, 08-27-2011 - 1:21pm

A baby that will likely not make it a day or two

my real problem with this statement is that you make it sound like the baby is nothing.

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Sat, 08-27-2011 - 1:24pm
P.S. sorry about the bold. also I'm only a lurker usually. i like to read and follow the debates and rarely get involved this just hit a nerve on me. I really dont mean to offend anyone.
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