I am confused as to why,
Well, first off, not everyone here is a parent.
"I am confused as to why, (especially in a pregnancy and parenting message board) noone thought much to taking part in the Red envelope day."
Confused? I thought I stated my opinions rather clearly. Did you read them? Here, I'll post them again here for you:
If I were PL (and I'm not), I would not be saying "Responsibility begins with conception." How exactly did the pregnancy occur? You and I both know that the act that causes conception can happen days and even a week prior to conception. Why delay responsible actions?
Until the PL lobby wakes up and realizes that responsibility starts with accurate sex education and inexpensive and easy access to effective means of contraception, they will not get more than a second of my time. At this moment, there are no major PL organizations who are doing anything realistic and effective to prevent pregnancies; only to try to stop women who are already pregnant from having/being able to have an abortion if they choose.
I'll paraphrase Thomas More, because I think it is oh so valid in this instance. If you suffer your people to be ill-educated about sex and corrupt the institutions that may correct their knowledge, and then punish them for those crimes to which their first education disposed them, what else is to be concluded but that you first make killers and then punish them?
"I would think that as most here are parents themselves, they would not want to see unborn babies aborted...this means killed because of an unguarded moment."
Again, I actually don't want to encourage abortion. But I feel that the solution is not to make unwanted pregnancy a punishment for women, but rather to make sure that they have the knowledge and means to prevent that pregnancy in the first place.
"This unborn child doesn't have a choice, and a woman shouldn't either."
When pregnancy doesn't pose risks to a woman's life (e.g. a fetus can be safely transferred from her womb to gestate somewhere else), then I will consider that point. Until then, it remains her choice because she has to suffer the consequences. You or I or any pro-lifer cannot take on those risks for her.
"A life is a life that should be given that chance. There is adoption."
Adoption does not solve the problem of an unwanted pregnancy. It solves the problem of an unwanted child. And adoption is not that easy. Most places require the consent of both parents to place an infant for adoption, and that is not always forthcoming.
Welcome to the board! I look forward to debating with you.
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You're kidding, right? You post to a debate board(and had it very clearly explained why people didn't want to participate) and expect us all to send an envelope through the post. Ummmmm yeah, no!
<< doesn't have a choice, and a woman shouldn't either>>
Really????? When you adopt ever single unwanted pregnancy, pay all the costs associated with each, compensate the mother for pain and suffering her pregnancy may cause, get her counselling to deal with suicidal thoughts, personally listen to children's anguished sobs when their mother orphans them because a pregnancy related health risk has killed her AND make everything all better for everyone then we're all good. Until then, keep your nose out of someone else's uterus.
A BABY is afforded the full rights of personhood. A FETUS is not.
<I am confused as to why,
For me- because i am ARDENTLY, UNEQUIVOCALLY and quite VOCALLY pro choice. I oppose all forms of legislation that would restrict women's reproductive rights.
Now to address the other points in your post.
Yep- four beautiful children.
You mean zygotes, embryos or fetuses? Those that are inside of a woman's uterus? Those that do NOT belong to me, nor present all of the unique short and long term risks inherent to either continued gestation and childbirth or abortion? It's not my business or right to impose one set of risks above another on any other woman. Nor is it yours.
Not necessarily. I, for instance have been with my husband for 30 years- since we turned 15. We used birth control efficaciously all of our lives and deliberately conceived six times (miscarried twice). All were c sections and after the 4th I had a tubal ligation. That carries a 6 in a thousand chance of failure. I will NEVER consider celibacy as an alternative- So if I SHOULD require an abortion- it won't be over an *unguarded moment*- it will be after a rousing lusty romp with my husband. With no apologies to anyone.
Why should a person not have the right to govern their medical care and health? Two entities cannot control the woman's body. The one who was born INTO it, will bear the brunt of any and all sacrifices and risks thrust upon it through either continued gestation and childbirth or abortion shall be the one who determines the course of action when faced with an unplanned pregnancy. No other.
<< A life is a life that should be given that chance. >>
A potential life is just that: potential. Until birth.
Adoption doesn't solve the problem of terminating a PREGNANCY. Adoption is a PARENTING choice. Abortion is a PREGNANCY choice.
A zygote, embryo or fetus has no rights over a woman's body. Nor should it ever, since that subrogates her won rights to autonomy and physical integrity, as well as privacy.