Do lies help foster abortion?

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Registered: 02-04-2008
Do lies help foster abortion?
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Mon, 04-07-2008 - 4:55pm

Even our the lady from NY lies about healthcare and uses a tragic story to scare people (regarding healthcare), uses a dead woman's situation for her own gain, and posibly leads some to believe pregnancy, while it has risks, is more dangerous than what it is.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99iR3GCy4iA


The real story:


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/05/clinton-under-fire-over-f_n_95218.html


Is it acceptable for a woman to try to use our emotions and fears to garner support?

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Registered: 04-19-2006
Mon, 04-07-2008 - 5:34pm

It is never acceptable to use emotional manipulation to try and make people think the same way you do. If the facts will not stand on their own then you don't have a case.

the issue is irrelevant it applies to health care, abortion, euthanasia, anything





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Mon, 04-07-2008 - 5:55pm

It certainly applies to healthcare - she was trying to say that the woman had non and that is why she died.

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Registered: 06-17-2007
Mon, 04-07-2008 - 7:54pm

"If our female leaders LIE to us about our care - sure enough many will believe the rhetoric. It is very damaging."

It's a sorry state of affairs indeed that anyone automatically believes a word coming out of the mouth of a politician, especially one who is a candidate in an election year. But my opinion would be the same on that, no matter who it was or what they said.

Politicians are salespeople cloaked as leaders. You have to keep on your toes to make sure they're not pulling one over on you.




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Registered: 04-15-2006
Mon, 04-07-2008 - 7:59pm

"Is it acceptable for a woman to try to use our emotions and fears to garner support?"

I think when it comes to healthcare, we need to know the REAL stories. They usually have to altered slightly due to personal privacy, but if that isn't how it happened, that example shouldn't be used. It is VERY damaging to the hospital's reputation. Now what I would like to know is if there is proof that the hospital did not turn her away or did a hospital marketing rep call and say "That's not how it happened. We never refused to see her." Did someone in the lady's family tell Hillary or a rep of Hillary's that story and they believed it to be true?

I know a young woman who was my age at the time and died of sepsis. Not because the hospital turned her away, but because she THOUGHT the hospital would turn her away (b/c she had no money). Sad situation. It definitely is an emotional issue, but with things like this I try to look at the practical application of the idea or potential system to go in place. Thanks for sharing. I'll be interested to find out more.

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Mon, 04-07-2008 - 8:55pm

She was seen by an off-campus OB/GYN who was an affiliate of the hospital. The major crux is that she DID have insurance - and unfortunately for both her and her baby (not to mention her born child) having insurance didn't save the baby or her.


Sad, all the way around.

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Registered: 04-15-2006
Mon, 04-07-2008 - 10:41pm
Yes, what a terrible story :(
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Registered: 10-17-2006
Mon, 04-07-2008 - 10:50pm

Just to clarify, while she was mistaken she wasn't purposefully lying.

 

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Registered: 04-19-2006
Tue, 04-08-2008 - 7:16am
You misread what I was saying. Emotional manipulation is NEVER OK what the issue is does not affect my view.




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Tue, 04-08-2008 - 7:43am

Sorry, facts have no place when one is trying to deliberately mislead.

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Registered: 02-04-2008
Tue, 04-08-2008 - 4:10pm
Plenty to back it up if you would read it.

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