Do you think late abortions are right?

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Do you think late abortions are right?
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Wed, 10-01-2008 - 12:58pm

So I sit here at work and I am mortified because I am working on a Planned Parenthood account (and I really dont want to) and the number of abortions performed is staggering.

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Wed, 10-01-2008 - 1:08pm

It isn't up to me to be OK with it or give my permission.

Speaking from the standpoint of not knowing I was pregnant for 12 weeks with one of my children and over 10 weeks with another I can easily see how someone would be contemplating options rater late in the day.

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And for those of us who carry on menstruating what do you suggest? My mother had me at 38 and had periods for 5 of the 9 months she carried me. Needless to say she was rather surprised! Oh, and I was her 5th pregnancy so no ignorant teenager there.

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Wed, 10-01-2008 - 1:21pm

A. I don't consider 11-16 weeks a late term abortion. I consider 26+ weeks to be late term

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B. 11-27 weeks is no ones business but the woman and her docs.

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C. 26+ wks is governed by protection of a viable fetus from ELECTIVE abortion. However, I believe abortions for fetal defect that may have been undetectible up to that point for many different reasons should be permitted, as well as an abortion to preserve the health and/or life of the woman.

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Well amniocentesis is usually performed at 16 with results coming back up to 2 wks later. So had mine come back w/fetal anomalies during my last pregnancy, the soonest I could have had the D&E was about 18 wks.

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I don't. Laws and restrictions make it too difficult for women who need them to get them in a timely manner. And in my own personal beliefs, I'd not ban them at all. If a woman wants to abort at 39 weeks, yes THIRTY NINE, I doubt she took very good care of that pregnancy ad probably wouldn't be much of a mother either. But I'll concede 26wks/viability in the spirit of cooperation, concession and compromise with the PLers ;-).

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Because it's none of MY business, nor yours. It's not MY body, health or life, nor yours. But it is her right, her body, her health, HER choice.

Edited 10/1/2008 1:22 pm ET by erosia_raunch




Edited 10/1/2008 1:23 pm ET by erosia_raunch
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Wed, 10-01-2008 - 1:27pm

I wouldn't classify a 16-wk abortion as 'late'. Some women don't even know they're pregnant til around then. To me, 'late' is post-viability.

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Wed, 10-01-2008 - 1:35pm

It is like you are saying murder should be legal.

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Wed, 10-01-2008 - 1:43pm

If I knew a woman who aborted past 8 weeks, I would do everything in my power to make her feel like less of a human being.

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Wed, 10-01-2008 - 1:46pm

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And that is your right...HOW????? Who died and left you in charge?

<< knew someone who delivered triplets at 23 weeks and 2 of them at still alive. I know someone else who was delivered at 22 weeks and he is 40 years old and FINE.>>

And I know a blind child born at 35 weeks. Te oxygen that kept her alive also blinded her! I know of other babies born later that were subjected to cruelty IMO and ultimately didn't survive. That is undignified IMO. BUT I have no right to make anyone else feel "less of a human being" because I don't agree with them

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Wed, 10-01-2008 - 1:49pm

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Nope, because personhood and all of the rights granted to that stats occurs through birth.

<< And no you dont have to quote the governments version of "murder" to me.>>

Why? You feel entitled to give your *opinion*. I can certainly give legal documentation- you know, that legal *stuff* that defines our rights- and since murder is a legal term, it's quite relevant to the discussion. Skip it if YOU don't want to read it, but others may be interested.

Australia

Division 3 - Homicide: Suicide: Concealment of Birth: Abortion

156. When a child becomes a human being
A child becomes a person capable of being killed when it has completely proceeded in a living state from the body of its mother, whether it has breathed or not and whether the umbilical cord is severed or not.

Canada
(Hansard Extract)

Currently a human being is defined in section 223(1) of the Criminal Code of Canada as follows: A child becomes a human being within the meaning of this Act when it has completely proceeded, in a living state, from the body of its mother, whether or not

(a) it has breathed,
(b) it has independent circulation, or
(c) the navel string is severed.

USA
In current United States law, at the moment of birth a biological being becomes a human being. By contrast, in declaring in 1973 that abortion is a permissible medical procedure, the U.S. Supreme Court said, "The unborn have never been recognized in the law as persons in the whole sense." (Hardin 1982:138) The transition to the status of full humanity is viewed not as a biological fact, but as a legal or cultural fact. There is a practical aspect pointed out by Retired Supreme Court Justice Tom Clark: the moment of birth is known, but the moment of conception is speculative. "...the law deals in reality not obscurity--the known rather than the unknown. When sperm meets egg, life may eventually form, but quite often it does not. The law does not deal in speculation." (Swomley 1983:1)

UK
DISCUSSION POINT: What is a human being?

What do the Courts say about this?

The courts have asked this question in relation to the foetus and a corpse. In this context the courts are very much guided by medical opinion, and less by moral principles. The central question they ask themselves is at what stage in the process of birth does a foetus become a person, and at what stage in the process of death does a person become a corpse. Essentially the courts have decided that foetuses and corpses are not persons.
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And as far as women's rights go- they are meaningless and irrelevant. You use your *beliefs* to frame *your* life- not the lives of other women.

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There seem to be a LOT of things you don't care about. However, when you seek to restrict the rights of other women and their health, you just don't get to define them or restrict them.

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Wed, 10-01-2008 - 1:53pm
I don't move viability ahead with scientific advances. I keep it at the point in which more babies survive than die with minimal medical intervention.
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Registered: 02-24-2005
Wed, 10-01-2008 - 1:55pm

I never said it was my right but that wont prevent me from speaking my mind.


Murder is not a right, child abuse is not a right, sexual molestation is not a right, but people continue to do it.

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Wed, 10-01-2008 - 1:56pm

"If I knew a woman who aborted past 8 weeks, I would do everything in my power to make her feel like less of a human being. "

And if I knew a woman who purposely created 8 embryos and implanted only 3, leaving the other 5 to expire most likely because she doesnt want any more children right now, I would do everything in my power to make her feel like less of human being. Oh, no, wait...I wouldn't...because I have class and am not one to judge anyone else.

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