forced (?) parenting

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forced (?) parenting
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Wed, 07-23-2008 - 7:09pm

I have mixed feelings on this issue, but a friend just told me about a phenomenon she encounters at work and i thought it was interesting.

I live in Arizona, as does my friend. she works at a group home for teen girls. they end up there because they were in foster care or juvinille detention and became pregnant. Because all of them are legally wards of the state they cannot get abortions. Now i dont know if this is because AZ requires parental consent and the state doesnt consent, or if it is because their health care and expenses are paid by the state and the state won't pay for it. I'm apt to think its the latter.

-what do you think of this?
-Does your pro-life/pro-choice stance change if the state is supposed to foot the bill?

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Wed, 07-23-2008 - 7:16pm
Mine don't.
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Wed, 07-23-2008 - 7:40pm

just as a lead-in, im pro-choice because i dont beleive in forcing my beliefs on others. that said i'd never have an abortion on my own because i do feel that it is wrong. however i can see both sides of the coin.

However, in this case I thought the same thing as you but then my mind went around to "but since the abortions would be paid with tax payer money, is it fair to force people to pay for abortions they dont believe in?" i'd be upset if i gave money to someone and the used it for an abortion konwing how i feel about it. I feel like if they want the abortion they should pay for it themselves. Wouldnt paying for them step on the toes of the principle of pro-choice, taking the choice away from the tax payers who are paying for the abortions?

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Wed, 07-23-2008 - 7:54pm
But what if I don't believe in minors having babies? What if I don't believe in subsidizing people who cannot afford to have and raise their children?
We all pay for things via tax dollars to which we object. If the state is responsible for the teen's care, then the state should pay for their reproductive choices, IMHO.
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Wed, 07-23-2008 - 8:03pm

Good point! i pay for bombs that im not a fan of... darn you income tax!!!

Heres another problem i thought of though. In AZ running away from home puts you in juvie or foster care. If the state paid for abortions, i wonder would it lead to an increase in runaway pregnant girls? If you were pregnant and lived with parents who you know would not approve of your activities and ceratinly would not pay for your abortion, would you run away knowing it would land you in a group home where you could get a free abortion? and in that case doesnt it take away parental rights?

Im just spitballing. i agree with what both of you had said but i keep running into problems with it.

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Wed, 07-23-2008 - 8:19pm
Well, I don't believe in the requirement of parental consent when a teen is faced with an unplanned pregnancy. But that's a whole nuther can o'worms, LOL!
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Wed, 07-23-2008 - 8:25pm
ok but what about te idea that the system could be played for free abortions? isnt that unfair to those who take resposibility enough to get their own?
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Wed, 07-23-2008 - 9:21pm

~Does your pro-life/pro-choice stance change if the state is supposed to foot the bill?~


Abortion is covered by our universal insurance here.

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Wed, 07-23-2008 - 9:25pm

~that said i'd never have an abortion on my own because i do feel that it is wrong~


I used to think the same thing.


Do you feel that it is wrong to have an abortion if you would otherwise die?

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Wed, 07-23-2008 - 9:31pm

again i dont think its wrong for anyone else, just me.

And if i would die its a chance i'd take

I've been raped, by my stepfather. I spoke on his behalf at his sentencing. I'm the wrong person to ask that question to because i acknowledge im abnormal. but to answer the question; yes i would think its wrong FOR ME. I'd want that baby no matter what. thats for me. i can totally understand why a person wouldnt. thats why im prochoice

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Wed, 07-23-2008 - 10:10pm

"but since the abortions would be paid with tax payer money, is it fair to force people to pay for abortions they dont believe in?"

It's a good point, but it's infinitely regressive. Should we never require taxpayers to pay for something they don't support? How do we distinguish the difference between things that are acceptable to force and things that aren't? For example, I haven't seen anyone saying that it would be okay for me to force this government to take its military out of Iraq because I don't support the war there and I don't want my tax dollars going to support it.

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