Got a question for y'all

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Got a question for y'all
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Tue, 06-03-2003 - 12:07pm
After reading through recent posts, something struck me. There are certain catch phrases and words that are used on both sides that really get under your skin. For example, it just bugs me when a deveolping fetus is called a parasite. I also read something in the newspaper where a pl politician called a doctor who performs abortion scitzophrenic (and I'm not sure I got that spelled right). He didn't have to use that to make his point. I'm sure I can come up with others, but I'm curious to see what words or phrases push y'all's buttons.

Kim 

Mom to Brad, Ma

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Tue, 06-03-2003 - 1:57pm
(Someone was called schizophrenic just because they perform abortions? That defies logic.)

Anyway, good question! :)


*For me, it's always going to be using the word "baby" to describe a 6-wk old embryo on a debate board. IRL, fine - your body, your cute name. In a debate? I tend to throw out credibility for that person (context taken into consideration, of course).

*I was once told on here that I had no business being married to my DH because we don't want kids/that I have no right to have sex with my husband in a monogamous relationship using dual protection because we wouldn't accept pregnancy as an end result. That got under my skin a little bit. Can I ask that they not have sex because they're idiots and need to chlorinate their gene pool before bringing more people into the world?

*When newbies say, "You're WRONG!!!1!!1" *period* Hello, 3rd grade. Go learn how to debate, then come back. With your parents' permission, of course.

*But even worse than that? Newbies who type like 12 year old AOLers. Everyone makes the occasional grammatical/spelling errors, myself - a writer - included, but when it goes beyond that and into sheer stupidity or carelessness, why should I care what that person has to say on such a life-altering topic? OMG becasue u r gong 2 tll ur momy fi i do'nt!!1!!1

*eyeroll*

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Tue, 06-03-2003 - 2:18pm
My personal favorite has got to be the term "pro-abortion" rather than pro-choice.

I understand the term pro-life to identify someone who feels that no one should be allowed to have an abortion, but to me, "pro-abortion" makes it sound like a windowless van pulls up, women in trench coats and fedoras jump out and abduct the pregnant woman and force her to have an abortion against her will.

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Tue, 06-03-2003 - 2:44pm
Parasite?? I've never *ever* heard a pro-choicer refer to a fetus as a parasite! But, maybe there are some fringe folks out there in the PC movement who do. I guess anything is possible.

As for phrases, pro-abortion, child murderer, baby killer are all way up there. But, its not so much the actual words that bother me, its the attitude and assumptions. E.G. the assumption that anyone who get's an abortion is irresponsible or anti-child. There are irresponsible PC and PL folks. But, getting an abortion isnt necessarily an irresponsible decision. There are some situations in which even some or most PLrs would agree abortion is necessary (e.g. the life of the woman is in jeopardy, etc). I personally think aborting an 8 week old fetus is more responsible than carrying to term if the woman can't care for a baby once its born, or, has health problems, is a drug addict, etc.

I also can't stomach the attitude that preaches that their choice, based on biblical beliefs, is the only right choice. I respect a person's right to have their own strong beliefs, but, I can't imagine why they think they should feel free to try to enforce those beliefs on others.


MM

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Tue, 06-03-2003 - 4:05pm
There is a post on here right now that calls the fetus a parasite and it isn't the first reference like that which has been used in the debate.

Kim 

Mom to Brad, Ma

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Tue, 06-03-2003 - 5:23pm
I have been away for a few days but I'll answer this before catching up on other posts. I can't stand the term pro-abortion or any of the other overly-emotional terms. I think the notion that PCrs are somehow "secretly ashamed" or "dehumanize" the fetus to make themselves feel better is inane but it sure gets repeated.

I will use the term Pro-life because that is the accepted term although I think it's not completely accurate.

I have to say that I used to call my daughter "Parasite" when I was first pregnant. Now, yes, this was different in a way because it was said with affection but I was very much aware of how pregnancy can be perceived as a parasitical relationship. I loved my daughter but it didn't take away from the reality of what was happening to me. And that is with a great pregnancy. I don't bring that up in debate because I know it's an incendiary term. Heck, I also used to call her my little "statistical anomaly" But I think that it needs to be understood that some women really DO feel that way about pregnancy. It isn't a pretty thought but it is accurate.

Gotta run but I'm sure I'll have more to say later.

KJ

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Tue, 06-03-2003 - 6:14pm
Yes, it's true, Mysh, parasite is admittedly used my *some* prochoicers quite a bit here in the debate, although not by all...and by the ones that do use it it doesn't seem to bother them at all....they seem to see it as the woman is the host and the fetus is the parasite....to be gotten rid of if the woman does not wish to "host" it.

It's true that the relationship between mother and unborn child is of parasitic nature, but to use the term parasite when referring to the unborn child just seems so disrespectful and negative.

Sue...btw, glad you're doing so well!!

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Tue, 06-03-2003 - 6:52pm
Where? I'd really like to have a look at the context. I just can't imagine someone calling a fetus a parasite in any serious way...

To me, that's about as accurate as calling abortion murder.


MM

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Tue, 06-03-2003 - 6:56pm
Well, I guess technically the fetus is a bit like a parasite in some very rudimentary ways. God knows that would explain my hunger over the past 6+ months with the two bubs:-) But, I wouldnt begin to call a fetus, wanted or not, a parasite. I have to agree it seems incredibly insensitive at best. There are zillions of women out there, self included, who LOVE being pregnant and would take umbrage at the expression in most cases (I guess it depends on the context...if someone said it jokingly it would be OK).


And thanks...I am doing well. But looking like a land whale. My husband says I look like a potatoe on sticks. Lovely:-)


MM 25 weeks, 6 days w/boy/girl twins (Ben & Emma)

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Tue, 06-03-2003 - 7:25pm
Sounds like you're doing great. Sounds like you must be "all baby". My brother and his wife have twins and when my sil was 6 months she looked like she was ready to deliver so I feel for you...you must be feeling "really pregnant"!! I'm really happy for you that things are going so well and you're enjoying your pregnancy. You're probably going to miss being pregnant after they're born...I really missed feeling my babies move. It's such a strange feeling after they're born...kind of empty....sigh.

I like the names you've chosen...are they *the* names? I just love the name Emma.

Sue

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Tue, 06-03-2003 - 8:24pm
Exactly. And I will have to go looking. It was just posted in the past day or two. But yes, the two phrases are alike in that manner. Both are meant to get your ire up.

Kim 

Mom to Brad, Ma

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