How should we determine personhood?

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How should we determine personhood?
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Wed, 07-29-2009 - 10:12am

There's another thread where there seems to be an irreconcilable difference between the two sides of the debate.


The big difference lies in whether a z/e/f is a fully invested person w/ all the rights of personhood.


In general, the PC side states that a fetus isn't a person w/ legal rights until it is born.

 


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Wed, 07-29-2009 - 3:03pm

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Wed, 07-29-2009 - 3:07pm
Absolutely, Erosia.

 


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Wed, 07-29-2009 - 3:08pm

I'm glad I didn't misrepresent your position ;)


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Registered: 01-15-2008
Wed, 07-29-2009 - 10:39pm

<<When the fetus is fully separated from the woman and constitutes no further risk to her body.>>


Does that mean you consider non-seperable conjoined twins non-persons?



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Registered: 04-10-2003
Thu, 07-30-2009 - 12:42am
In their cases don't each constitute both the demise and salvation of the other?
I'd have to put them in a whole nutha level due to the unique interdependency.
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Registered: 01-15-2008
Thu, 07-30-2009 - 1:01am

It really depends on the specifics of the conjoining...some times saving one means losing the other and sometimes seperation would mean both twins die.


What category can we come up with besides person and non-persons? and if conjoined twins are in thier own category ( and thus *technical non- persons) does that mean they souldn't be afforded the same rights as *persons*? If you think they should be given the same rights why


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Thu, 07-30-2009 - 8:18am

Erosia: <>

TDM: Does that mean you consider non-seperable conjoined twins non-persons?

I don't think it's the same - conjoined twins generally have a symbiotic relationship, whereas pregnancy is a parasitic relationship.

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Registered: 04-10-2003
Thu, 07-30-2009 - 9:56am

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Conjoined persons.

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I'd say they are different- split since both are fully potentiated persons.

<< If you think they should be given the same rights why them and not say......a healthy 37 week fetus ( since you've earlier stated that a fetus isn't a person until birth)?>>>

Because to do so you violate a woman's privacy by inserting yourself into her health care.

<< I mean logisitcally a 37 week fetus has a greater potential for reaching independant personhood then a conjoined twin.>>

The conjoined twin is not residing within and presenting unique risks to a fully potentiated person .

A conjoined twin is connected to another fully potentiated person- his other twin. Their rights are equal. The fetal-maternal relationship is not equal, as it is not based on two fully potentiated persons on euqal footing.

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Registered: 04-10-2003
Thu, 07-30-2009 - 9:57am
Thank you- your answer stated it much more clearly.
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Registered: 01-15-2008
Thu, 07-30-2009 - 7:06pm

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I think in either case both categories apply.


Some conjoined twins are more parastic in nature, and some more symbiotic.


Same with pregnancies.


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