I can't believe this!

iVillage Member
Registered: 07-30-2007
I can't believe this!
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Sat, 08-04-2007 - 12:19am

In the United States alone from 1973 to 2005 the number of abortions is 47,282,923. We have killed more unborn children in this country than casualties of ALL American wars COMBINED. That is a Fact. Of these numbers less than 2% percent said that their pregnancy was a result of rape or incest.
I have another very interesting fact to be pointed out. It is a law in the united States that if any woman is killed by another person while she is pregnant and 20wks or more, the person who killed her and her unborn child, is not only charged with her death but that of the babies death as well. So then I ask you why is it okay for a woman to kill her own child at up to 27wks????????? Why then is that also not considered murder, or at the very least man slaughter? We all know that you can go to jail for attempting suicide, even though it is YOUR body, you don't have the right to take a life, even your own. So then why is it okay to take the life of the unborn? Life begins at the moment of conception. The cell that is produced is a LIVING cell. All it needs is time to develop to a point in which it can survive outside the womb. But inside the womb it is still very much a life, and according to the law, no one can take the life of another, not even their own.
I think that some people have forgotten that the "fetus" growing inside a woman i s a living, thriving, developing child. To abort is to kill, that is fact, and a very sad one at that.

My statistics can be found at http://www.mccl.org/abortion_statistics.htm

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iVillage Member
Registered: 07-06-2005
Sat, 08-04-2007 - 12:33am

Actually, feticide laws vary widely from state to state.

iVillage Member
Registered: 07-30-2007
Sat, 08-04-2007 - 1:16am
...Actually, feticide laws vary widely from state to state....
Are you refering to the laws in which the baby is considered a human life, or the laws that allow abortions up to XXX many weeks?
iVillage Member
Registered: 05-06-2007
Sat, 08-04-2007 - 1:36am

"We all know that you can go to jail for attempting suicide"

Really? Do you have a source to back this up?

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&nbs

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Registered: 07-30-2007
Sat, 08-04-2007 - 2:16am
Okay how about checking your local laws, I know this is the case in my state (Tennessee). And I will give you an example. About two weeks ago a woman was brought in to the hospital where I work on my floor as one of my patients who attempted suicide. She was immediately put on suicide watch and when she recovered was given an option, either go to Penninsula (the local mental health hospital) or go to jail for attempted murder. I am not saying it happens very often, most chose the hospital (wouldn't you:) but it is illegal to take or attempt to take your own life and punishable by jail time. Although I don't think the ones who succeed would very much mind if charged with murder ;) sorry just had to lighten the mood a bit.
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Registered: 05-06-2007
Sat, 08-04-2007 - 2:26am
No, I don't feel like checking my laws. You made the claim, so the burden of proof is on you.

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&nbs

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Registered: 07-30-2007
Sat, 08-04-2007 - 3:11am

Then I really shouldn't care whether or not you are educated on the subject, but when I know I am right I feel the NEED to prove it. Keep in mind I didn't say that the laws were the same every where or if I did I didn't mean to, because it varies by state and jurisdiction. But in my hometown it is a crime punishable by jail time, that part I did know for sure and I was basing my facts in that. But I do believe it states in one of these links that while it may not be a felony, it is a misdemeanor, punishable by time served of no more than 14 years, in most places, and an unwritten common law in others (kinda like an unwritten common law marriage) also punishable by jail time if a judge so chooses. There is your proof, and I am going to bed. HOLY CRAP it's 3:00 in the morning here!

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/040326.html

""Other lawyers contend that in these cases the defendant should be convicted of murder. Several theories support the argument. First, in jurisdictions in which suicide is a felony, the resulting death could constitute murder under a broadly based felony-murder theory—that is, it is a killing that took place during the commission of a felony. Second, the conviction of murder could be upheld under the theory of transferred intent, where the intent to take one's own life is transferred to the taking of another's life. This rule normally applies when the defendant shoots at the victim, misses him, and kills an innocent bystander. Third, the murder conviction could be sustained in jurisdictions such as Illinois, which define murder as a killing by the defendant with knowledge that his "acts create a strong probability of death or great bodily harm to another" (Ill. Ann. Stat. ch. 38, § 9-1 (a)(2) (1979)).""

iVillage Member
Registered: 06-03-2007
Sat, 08-04-2007 - 9:33am

Yeah - 3:00 AM is a little late to be staying up posting! :)

I think the issue is most like organ donation, as recently discussed in the "jailtime for abortion" thread under the skillful moderation of Kao.

There are two lives - one obligately requires something from the second, which will cause discomfort and certain permanent medical risks. Can we really require the second to provide for the other, to take those risks on to save the life of the first?

By being pregnant, a woman is handicapped for the better part of a year, and there are real risks of mortality and permanent serious illness as a result of carrying the pregnancy to term. There are also the minor side effects, such as hemorrhoids and urinary incontinence later in life.

By donating a kidney or a liver lobe, there are the perioperative risks which are minimal (or else the donation isn't permitted) and the carefully assessed lifetime risk of eventual organ failure. Overall recuperation time is much shorter and ultimately, life impact much less.

How can we require that a woman carry a pregnancy against her will, if we don't require that someone give up a kidney or other organ to a matched stranger on the transplant list? This could save the life of a person with cognitive function and the ability to sense pain, possibly with dependent family!

iVillage Member
Registered: 05-11-2005
Sat, 08-04-2007 - 1:35pm
The way i see it is at least those fetuses didn't go on to be born to women who'd have been treated like breeding chattels had abortion still been illegal.
iVillage Member
Registered: 10-18-2006
Sat, 08-04-2007 - 1:48pm

As someone who has attempted twice I can tell you that my state laws don't mandate I be charged with attempted murder. I was taken by ambulance both times and had police present, but still didn't have any talk of being charged. There was also no talk of do you want to be hospitalized or go to jail. The second time I talked to my therapist, and left the hospital the next day. No police no threats, no nothing.

Back up your claim that all who attempt suicide are charged with attempted murder. Maybe it's just in your city. Do some research before you make such a broad claim.

iVillage Member
Registered: 04-03-2005
Sat, 08-04-2007 - 2:03pm

"Back up your claim that all who attempt suicide are charged with attempted murder. Maybe it's just in your city. Do some research before you make such a broad claim."


I'm wondering if its not necessarily that all who attempt suicide are charged with *attempted murder*... But, maybe some sort of civil ordinance IRT inciting public disruption, or something like that?



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