I find it ironic

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I find it ironic
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Mon, 05-07-2007 - 4:36pm

I find it ironic that ppl who "claim" that their child growing inside them for 9 months is "their" body ,even though it isnt even the same DNA , heart beating, etc....and that they can "decide" its fate -life or death-even if the father of the baby wants to keep the child or give it up for adoption. Where are their rights?

well, you say its "your body" your choice", then why would you expect the father (who has no rights to his child while its mom is helping it grow) to pay for an abortion if "YOU" choose to abort it? i mean after all, isnt that a double standard?

same thing with ppl claiming "parenthood" shouldnt be forced on anyone, yet they "force" a man to father a child that they might not "want" whether due to financial, emotional, etc...reasons?

btw...i feel that the child is both Mom and Dads due to the fact that it takes 2 to make, then "both" should have rights. i feel NOBODY has aright to take their childs life through abortion for any reason. if you cant take care of the child already conceived, give it to a couple who would die for it. I am just trying to make show that many of you women want your cake and eat it too...what happened to rights and not forcing others to do something they dont want to do?

in the end....abortion is not a solution, just the grusome end to a precious little life of a child who was created by God , and has the right to life. PPL need to start thinking before hoping in bed with the next available person and then crying "i cant have a baby with someone i dont know, abuses me, uses me, cheats on me, doesnt love me, etc"

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Registered: 08-18-2006
In reply to: omom2006
Mon, 05-07-2007 - 4:50pm

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I think the father should only pay in these if
1. He is the one who wnats the abort
2. If the have botha greed that this is the best choice and they shoudl split it 50/50
3. If it was talked about before the pregnancy happens and he said he would pay then.

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I think these things need to be talked about before a couple has sex. I personally with boyfriends have said that I will only abort again if i cant afford the baby or it/I are sick. If they dont want to take the risk of being a father then they can go find someone else to have sex with.

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Abortion was the best solution for me and god didn't make or give me my baby. The condom didn't fit and biology gave me my daughter.

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And married couples who abort???

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Registered: 01-07-2007
In reply to: omom2006
Mon, 05-07-2007 - 4:53pm

"I find it ironic that ppl who "claim" that their child growing inside them for 9 months is "their" body ,even though it isnt even the same DNA , heart beating, etc....and that they can "decide" its fate -life or death-even if the father of the baby wants to keep the child or give it up for adoption. Where are their rights?"

The father doesn't have any rights until the z/e/f is born a child and is free from using the mothers body to live.

"well, you say its "your body" your choice", then why would you expect the father (who has no rights to his child while its mom is helping it grow) to pay for an abortion if "YOU" choose to abort it? i mean after all, isnt that a double standard?

same thing with ppl claiming "parenthood" shouldnt be forced on anyone, yet they "force" a man to father a child that they might not "want" whether due to financial, emotional, etc...reasons?"

I agree with you.

"btw...i feel that the child is both Mom and Dads due to the fact that it takes 2 to make, then "both" should have rights. i feel NOBODY has aright to take their childs life through abortion for any reason. if you cant take care of the child already conceived, give it to a couple who would die for it. I am just trying to make show that many of you women want your cake and eat it too...what happened to rights and not forcing others to do something they dont want to do?

in the end....abortion is not a solution, just the grusome end to a precious little life of a child who was created by God , and has the right to life. PPL need to start thinking before hoping in bed with the next available person and then crying "i cant have a baby with someone i dont know, abuses me, uses me, cheats on me, doesnt love me, etc""

You are more than welcome to these opinons and beliefs but they are only that. :)

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Registered: 09-15-2005
In reply to: omom2006
Mon, 05-07-2007 - 5:31pm

"and that they can "decide" its fate -life or death-even if the father of the baby wants to keep the child or give it up for adoption. Where are their rights?"


Personally, my xbf wanted me to keep our baby. He even said to me, "you have the baby and I'll have my father raise it, and you'll never have to see him/her". Imagine my surprise when the father of my baby couldn't even take responsibility of his OWN mistake, and instead is giong to place it on his father. the grandfather of the baby.


Also, what happens when the woman is in danger of dying? And the man still wants the baby? Is it HIS right to force a woman to full term and deliver....if it could kill her? At what point, is it his right.....to tell her to die to have a child? And at what point does a woman have the right to say, it's my life too?


"well, you say its "your body" your choice", then why would you expect the father (who has no rights to his child while its mom is helping it grow) to pay for an abortion if "YOU" choose to abort it? i mean after all, isnt that a double standard?"


Personally, I think that is a double standard. I wouldn't expect a man to support my decision to abort, nor pay for it. I'll be happy if he agrees to pay, but if not, it's still my decision in the end.


"same thing with ppl claiming "parenthood" shouldnt be forced on anyone, yet they "force" a man to father a child that they might not "want" whether due to financial, emotional, etc...reasons?"


I agree. and disagree. I agree because I think a man should have a right to choose, just like the woman claims it's her right to choose too. And I disagree because if he's willing to "play the game" then he has to know the consequences, and it's parenthood. If he's willing to take the chance, then he's also willing to be a parent. If not, then he shouldn't be having sex. end of story.


the rest of your post, is your own opinion. and i don't share it.

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Registered: 10-14-2003
In reply to: omom2006
Mon, 05-07-2007 - 11:05pm

"I find it ironic that ppl who "claim" that their child growing inside them for 9 months is "their" body ,even though it isnt even the same DNA , heart beating, etc....and that they can "decide" its fate -life or death-even if the father of the baby wants to keep the child or give it up for adoption. Where are their rights?"

I don't feel that a fetus growing in my body is my "body". It is a separate being living off my body. It has no rights to my body save and except for what I afford it.

"well, you say its "your body" your choice", then why would you expect the father (who has no rights to his child while its mom is helping it grow) to pay for an abortion if "YOU" choose to abort it? i mean after all, isnt that a double standard?"

I wouldn't expect it from him. Further, a man does not gain ownership or property rights to a woman's body by virtue of paying for an abortion of a fetus he does not want to gestate to term. And until a woman can obtain an injunction on the spilling of contents from within a man's testes to secure the possible future of her child(ren)'s siblings, we're not talking a double standard here.

"btw...i feel that the child is both Mom and Dads due to the fact that it takes 2 to make, then "both" should have rights. i feel NOBODY has aright to take their childs life through abortion for any reason. if you cant take care of the child already conceived, give it to a couple who would die for it. I am just trying to make show that many of you women want your cake and eat it too...what happened to rights and not forcing others to do something they dont want to do? "

Your opinion, but you don't get to assign the bodies of other women to the men that have impregnated them. Nobody but the woman has rights to her body, the sole vessel in which the fetus subsists on.

"in the end....abortion is not a solution, just the grusome end to a precious little life of a child who was created by God , and has the right to life. PPL need to start thinking before hoping in bed with the next available person and then crying "i cant have a baby with someone i dont know, abuses me, uses me, cheats on me, doesnt love me, etc""

Again, your opinion. Since you don't know the majority of women who do decide on abortion as their solution, it's an opinion that is highly suspect.

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Registered: 03-26-2003
In reply to: omom2006
Tue, 05-08-2007 - 2:27am
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well, you say its "your body" your choice", then why would you expect the father (who has no rights to his child while its mom is helping it grow) to pay for an abortion if "YOU" choose to abort it? i mean after all, isnt that a double standard? >>


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Registered: 10-17-2006
In reply to: omom2006
Tue, 05-08-2007 - 3:01am


~I find it ironic...~


Misunderstanding, not irony.

 

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Registered: 10-06-2010
In reply to: omom2006
Tue, 05-08-2007 - 8:58am

"I find it ironic that ppl who "claim" that their child growing inside them for 9 months is "their" body"
It is MY body the unwanted child is using to survive. So while the child is not "my" body it is using mine to survive.

"even if the father of the baby wants to keep the child or give it up for adoption"
That is why I would not have sex with someone who wants a child. MY Dh agrees that if I got pregnant I would abort. I 100% believe people should be pickier with who they have sex with.

"i feel NOBODY has aright to take their childs life through abortion for any reason."
You said it right, I FEEL, those are the correct words, however, I feel differently then you do.

"in the end....abortion is not a solution"
Actually, it is.

"same thing with ppl claiming "parenthood" shouldnt be forced on anyone, yet they "force" a man to father a child that they might not "want" whether due to financial, emotional, etc...reasons?"
Again, do not sleep with someone when you have not talked about what you would do in the result of a pregnancy. It is simple really.

"if you cant take care of the child already conceived, give it to a couple who would die for it."
Sorry, but the couple that would "die" for the child could adopt one of the thousands already in foster care that need a home.

"just the grusome end to a precious little life of a child who was created by God"
I do not believe in God and I do not believe all children are precious little angels. Wanted and loving children can be to the couple who wants them but an unwanted child is not a precious little angel.

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Registered: 04-29-2005
In reply to: omom2006
Tue, 05-08-2007 - 6:51pm

That's the double standard. Men that aren't willing to be a parent should stop having sex but a woman that doesn't want to be a parent can continue to have sex.

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Registered: 10-14-2003
In reply to: omom2006
Tue, 05-08-2007 - 8:52pm
I don't see any double standard. It's her final choice because it is her body. When the child is born, the responsibility to take care of that child's needs rests both with the father and the mother unless the child is adopted. A woman also has to face the consequences, and far sooner than any man does. Just because you may see abortion as a way out doesn't mean it isn't a way of taking responsibility. There would be a double standard if neither the man nor the woman were the ones to get pregnant. If the fetus grew in a petri dish, and the woman was allowed to "continue" but the man wasn't, then we'd be facing a double standard.
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Registered: 03-20-2005
In reply to: omom2006
Wed, 05-09-2007 - 11:03am

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I respectfully disagree. This is only your opinion, not based on scientific fact. If you would like to provide an unbiased scientific journal entry regarding the creation of children by God, please provide the link.

Fact of fertilization: a mature egg which has been released by an ovary is penetrated by one (determined) sperm. Over several days, the fertilized egg divides into several cells, called a blastocyst. Eventually the blastocyst develops into an embryo. After 8 weeks of development, the embryo is now considered a fetus.

Look up any scientific journal regarding the factual aspects of fertilization.

There *is* a difference between fact and fiction-that's why they are two different words with opposite meanings.

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