If abortion saves women's lives, can

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If abortion saves women's lives, can
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Tue, 11-04-2003 - 2:42pm
anyone here tell me approximately how man 'women' (female's that would be alive today had their lives not been discounted and terminated) have died because of abortion being legal? And can anyone tell me the national totals per year on women' who died while abortion was illegal? How many woman's lives have we prevented by terminating them yearly? The thing is that we have ended the lives of many who would be women today beside us by simply calling these women 'choices' and terminating 'their' lives - thus preventing their being here today. If we were to place both of these figures, women prevented life by abortion and woman who died because of illegal abortions, I believe we would be loosing more life, more women (who's rights it is claimed abortion protects) and the most important right that we all DO ENOY - the right to our life.

When it comes to my stance on abortion it is completely harnessed in the solid belief in Human Rights. All human beings, old, young, infirmed, healthy, white, black, yellow, red, Jew, Gentile, Muslim, Athiest, Wiccan, rich, poor, gay, straight, man and WOMAN are entitled to a basic set of Rights. These rights are important to each of us. We hold them dear and sacred to our hearts and souls for they are what enable us to live as we do. However, the taking of the rights of another who is innocent of crime is completely baffeling to me. How can any human being who enjoys his/her own life and the benefits thereof, willingly take another life that poses no life jeoperdizing threat? To me, this is the inhuman act - not forcing someone to follow up on what they started by their own personal actions that led to consentual sex which created and began a separate human life. Regardless of the stage of that human life, it is a separate and unique human being. Abortion just prevents the 'being' part of life. Each of us is special in her own way, therefore how can we determine that one who has caused no harm or commited no wrong be terminated as to be moved to the side of another human beings wants or non-life based need? How do we ignore the specialness of that life? How do we do it after we have already given life? How do we do it and not say, "Yes, I did it, it was wrong, I can admit that much, but I really don't care - this is my life and I will walk over whatever obstical is in my way - an unplanned pregnancy is just that to me. And because I can dismiss the humanity of this being, I will take the opportunity to ignore any and all basic human right's this human being has."? I could respect an answer like that, because it would not be the regular old gambit of "my body, my choice", or "'it' has no rights', or any other half excuse/reasons that get banged around here. I could handle someone saying that they felt boths these lives were in a 'battle' and that she (the mother) fought back the way that the law allowed her to in order to prevent furthering the pregnancy which she doesn't want and the unborn obviously wants (being if he/she is healthy) JMHO. (This is all opinion and is not directed towards any ONE person at all. It is not meant to be taken as a generaliztion either, for it is just something that rattles around in my mind regarding abortion. So, please, don't take it that way - I'm not rattling anyone's cage intentionally here)

These are human beings, not dogs or cats or cattle. They are beings that, like us, are the top species on this entire planet. These are not aliens or another life form. They are us, and we were once them (awaiting birth). How can we remove ourselves so far from that fact?

It just really bumbs me out about this world we live in. If a mother can harm her own young, born or unborn, the world is truely a terrible place.

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Tue, 11-04-2003 - 6:27pm
Ladies, I really did want to hear what you have to say about my post. Why do you believe so strongly that these separate lives are worth less than any other life? Why can't we care about both mother and child at the same time? Why can't we recognized and respect a separate life from our own if that life makes ours a bit less predictable? I really don't understand it, and would like to. I don't judge or condemn, but neither do I understand, and believe me, I am trying so hard. I just cannot fathom the thought - although I think much of myself and life style, unless my life is in danger, or the life of my daughter, I could not take another life. Just couldn't do it. So, please, help me to understand the philosophy behind abortion and how terminating other 'to be women' is a woman's right or cause.

Seeking to understand and to be understood.

A.

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Tue, 11-04-2003 - 7:33pm

I'll take the bait and try to explain it from my own POV...


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Tue, 11-04-2003 - 8:06pm
Hi mom2gab, haven't been here for awhile, but I have a question for you-

If you saw a parent abusing their child in a store (street, park, etc.), would you say something? What I mean is- It's THEIR child, right? This is how I feel about abortion (for the record- I don't picket, but I've gotten in a few abusive parents' faces). I consider the fetus a living being and abortion goes way beyond abuse.

One other question- you mentioned that you don't consider a 1st trimester abortion a "life"- would you support restictions on abortion after the 1st trimster?

Sorry, one more ques. I've been lurking a bit to catch up and read that you had an abortion. I don't remember you talking about it, but said in one post that it went far beyond not enough money or not a good time. Do you mind sharing what your situation was? I don't want to judge, just understand. Enjay(another poster)shared the circumstances surrounding her abortions and, speaking for myself personally, it really helped bridge the gap between our beliefs. I was able to read her posts and understand in a different way after that. Sorry to sound goofy, I completely understand if you don't feel comfortable sharing.

Danelle

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Tue, 11-04-2003 - 8:26pm
I totally get what you're saying, winds...I feel the same way...we would bend over backwards to help someone in need...even an animal...but then we would kill our own child simply because it's not born yet...because we can't "see" it...doesn't make sense.

Sue

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Tue, 11-04-2003 - 8:42pm

I guess the reason i did not respond is because i feel like a broken record

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Tue, 11-04-2003 - 8:48pm

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Tue, 11-04-2003 - 9:35pm
Don't be sorry. You answered my questions honestly based on how you feel, what you believe and based on the facts you have been privy to. There is nothing to be sorry for.

A.

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Tue, 11-04-2003 - 9:41pm
Are you saying that the law of the land is always correct? Does the law make something morally right or wrong? When abortion was illegal, was it then wrong? When slavery was legal, was it right? If we honestly belived that all laws were correct and moral and just, then why are they continuously changing?

The being that is termianted had no choice about their life and body. Again, scientific fact is that if a being has vital signs, it is alive. It may not be at the stage of 'it's' life that is of importance to you, but it is a stage nontheless that we all went through, just like being an infant, a child, a teen and a young adult. Just as one day we will, with all luck, be old. If cells divide, a thing is considered scientifically and medically alive. This is a fact that most learn in school, or at least I did.

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Tue, 11-04-2003 - 10:23pm

Hey Danelle - I would support restrictions on later term abortions but IF and only IF those restrictions do not hinder the procedure in cases of extreme health risks.

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Wed, 11-05-2003 - 8:48am

As I have said many of times...I support the freedom of choice.

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