If a fetus is a "human being".....

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Wed, 08-08-2007 - 6:31pm

Ok question..... If you think a fetus is entitled to the same rights as the born mother....answer me this...especially those who consider thier pets to be

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Wed, 08-08-2007 - 6:48pm

I don't really understand your question because in your hypothetical situation the pet is being "put down" but the fetus is being aborted and you didn't say why? Is the fetus being aborted for unknown causes or is the fetus not going to live after birth? What is the situation?

FTR, I don't equate dogs with human fetuses or my grandfather...or any other human being.

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Wed, 08-08-2007 - 7:34pm

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Hoestly the situation surrounding euthenizing the animal only pertain to...Why is it

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Wed, 08-08-2007 - 7:48pm

HMM well maybe I am not the average PLer but I strongly support euthansia. In fact I support abortions done to save babies a life of pain and medical interference I see it as the same thing. What I can't morally condone is the ending of fetal life when said baby is perfectly healthy especially in nations that have social programs to ensure the child basics necessities of life are going to be covered. To me it is selfish especially considering how long people are willing to wait to adopt healthy infants.

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Wed, 08-08-2007 - 9:52pm

"See what I don't get is that most PLers( the one I know anyway) wouldn't think twice about putting down an animal because they know it's the "best" thing to do...but the animal WILL feel pain as it's being put down (trust me, I watched my dog get put down...she flinched away from the needle)...BUT...they're against putting down a fetus that feels NO pain ( because more abortions are done before nerve endings grown) during the procedure....I don't understand that."

Because in over 95% of all cases the fetus is not being put down because he/she is in pain but because the mother doesn't want it there.

Answer me this: If someone brought a perky, young, and healthy dog in to be put to sleep just because the dog had become an inconvenience in their life would you be okay with that and justify that with statements such as "it's their right because it's their dog"? OR would you pressure them to reconsider or put the dog in a shelther where someone else could adopt it?

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Wed, 08-08-2007 - 11:06pm
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Answer me this: If someone brought a perky, young, and healthy dog in to be put to sleep just because the dog had become an inconvenience in their life would you be okay with that and justify that with statements such as "it's their right because it's their dog"? OR would you pressure them to reconsider or put the dog in a shelther where someone else could adopt it?>>


I absolutely would encourage them to adopt the dog out ...the difference is a dog CAN be adopted out.....a fetus can't be.

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Thu, 08-09-2007 - 5:33am

I have never compared an animal to a human life.

I support a person ending their life when they are terminally ill. I have seen too much as a nurse for me to think it is okay to let someone die a slow and painful death.

But, pain is not the question. Do I think it is okay to abort a healthy fetus? No. Pain is irrelevant. I support choice but I do not think it is okay unless medically necessary for the mother or fetus which is very rare.

I am not sure what you are trying to compare.

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Thu, 08-09-2007 - 11:50am

A fetus can't be adopted out ... ? I assume you mean, until it's born?

I'm still sort of confused so I'm going to try to just comment in brief.

I do believe a fetus as a living human being is entitled to protection from those who wish to harm it unjustifiably.

I have put two animals to sleep for their own good, because I loved them and I did not want them to suffer a slow, painful death. They had one moment of pain as opposed to days of pain leading to an inevitable death.

I myself have a living will asking not to be kept alive artificially if I'm brain dead, etc. I have not been in a situation in which I had to choose whether to keep a family member alive or not based on their of life, thank God, but if I did, I predict that I would not keep them alive if they had no hope (complicated subject that I'm trying to state succinctly).

As for why I can justify putting an animal out of its misery when it is facing certain death while I don't condone killing a human fetus, because it can't feel any pain ... help me understand why those two beliefs are in conflict with one another. I think pretzelpreggo raised this point better than I did, and I don't understand your response to her.

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Thu, 08-09-2007 - 12:42pm
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But, pain is not the question. Do I think it is okay to abort a healthy fetus? No. Pain is irrelevant. I support choice but I do not think it is okay unless medically necessary for the mother or fetus which is very rare.


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No pain IS the question....why is it ok to put a being down that WILL feel the pain of dying, but not ok to put a being down that WON'T feel the pain?


I ask this because MANY times I hear how cruel abortion is because the fetus " cringes away" or " dies i in excrutiating pain as it's ripped apart" and the like and the fact is there is medical

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Thu, 08-09-2007 - 12:46pm

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The animal can feel

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Thu, 08-09-2007 - 3:43pm
IMO, pain has nothing to do with it. I am not talking about animals b/c I do not think animals are equivalent to humans at all. BUt, if a perosn who is suffering wants to end their life I do not think it is wrong. However, a fetus (regardless of the pain) is a human being who does NOT have the chice or making that decision for themselves. BUt, I stop short of thinking the baby's rights outweigh the woman's but barely....:)

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