The Irish set good example!

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The Irish set good example!
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Sat, 04-26-2008 - 9:48am
I think this was missed hidden in another thread - so I though I would post it here.

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Tue, 04-29-2008 - 8:49pm
When a government/country denies one set of citizens its basic rights ans the same rights of autonomy over their bodies and health care as any other adult citizen of that country, one would doubt their advocacy for that group and additionally that country really couldn't be considered a free country any longer.
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Wed, 04-30-2008 - 7:48am

>>This whole idea just makes my blood boil and then curdle. Makes me afraid of losing the right to vote. If a woman can't be "trusted" with autonomy over her body, how big a leap would it be for certain people to assume we're all just basically incapable of rational thought, period?<<

seriously? Just because some people feel that a fetus deserves a certain amount of protection under the law does not mean they think women are all incompetent morons. Once upon a time law makers made it illegal for women to beat their kids. Does that mean they thought all women were too dumb to make the right choice and not beat their kids on their own or does it mean that they recognize SOME women will make a bad choice just as some men will?












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Wed, 04-30-2008 - 8:05am

Yeah- I have to agree with bostonvixen.

After undergoing pregnancies, miscarriages, bed rest, premature rupture of membranes, adhesions galore, 4 c sections, hemorrhage, 3 D&Cs, I am totally APPALLED at any person, people, entity or government that would restrict a woman's access to reproductive choice and medical processes. Pregnancy and childbirth- or miscarriage and abortion - are such intimate and physical processes that profoundly affect a woman- and in so many ways, the scope of which can last a lifetime- or end one- that I am flabbergasted that anyone would think it fair or equitable to take the right to determine the course of a pregnancy away from her and deny her autonomy over her body and reproductive organs. Seriously Misa- it boggles my mind.

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Wed, 04-30-2008 - 8:41am

And you don't think the hysterics of "they are going to take away my right to vote" probably hurt her message more then they help?

IMO that is the equivalent of a PLer saying "but they are murdering babies" If I recall correctly women had the right to vote in the states before 1973 so the two issues are not interchangeable.

I mean you just managed to make your point without using a slippery slope argument.

While I may not completely agree with everything you write I will at least take what you write seriously because it generally avoids theatrics.












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Wed, 04-30-2008 - 10:14am

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Wed, 04-30-2008 - 10:27am


No. If they truly wanted to know, they could conduct a study and seek out those women/teens that may have had abortions in other countries.
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Wed, 04-30-2008 - 10:29am
Yeah because people who break the law always admit it?











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Wed, 04-30-2008 - 10:30am


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Wed, 04-30-2008 - 10:34am

>No. If they truly wanted to know, they could conduct a study and seek out those women/teens that may have had abortions in other countries. <


And how would you propose to do that? Knock on the door of every woman of child bearing age in the country? Recall that with the creation of the EU, one does not have to obtain a visa to travel between countries in Europe. How is one to determine that travel to England or No. Ireland has been to obtain an abortion?


Seriously. If you live in a state that does not permit abortion, would one have the condition diagnosed in that state, thus making it very easy to track if you're doing something illegal like having an abortion? Or would you take an in home test and having the rest done someplace more amenable to your choices?

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Wed, 04-30-2008 - 10:35am
<Yeah because people who break the law always admit it?>

Not always. But if it's anonymous, there would be no way for law enforcement to track them down. Studies are done all the time about topics that are illegal (example~drug use, driving under the influence, underage drinking...). Why

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