The Irish set good example!

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The Irish set good example!
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Sat, 04-26-2008 - 9:48am
I think this was missed hidden in another thread - so I though I would post it here.

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Wed, 04-30-2008 - 10:40am
And what do you consider to be an unbiased site? I've even seen on this board where PLers have accused the oncologists at NIH of being PC biased by affirming that there is no link between abortion and breast cancer. (Except of course the link that one can make that post-poning 1st childbirth to a later age does increase one's risk. And using that argument would mean that we should argue that all birth control usage increases a woman's breast cancer risk.)

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Sandy
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Wed, 04-30-2008 - 10:43am


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Wed, 04-30-2008 - 10:47am

<And what do you consider to be an unbiased site? I've even seen on this board where PLers have accused the oncologists at NIH of being PC biased by affirming that there is no link between abortion and breast cancer. >

Not me. I have never said that NIH is biased but feel free to post a link if you think that I have.


Do you believe that AGI is
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Wed, 04-30-2008 - 10:59am

>Do you believe that AGI is

Sandy
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Wed, 04-30-2008 - 11:07am

>how would they find them?

Sandy
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Wed, 04-30-2008 - 11:11am

<If you are referring to Guttmacher, I do believe they have something of an agenda, but they use sound research policy to get their study/polling figures>


I'm sorry. Yes I was referring to Guttmacher. As for sound research policy, it doesn't appear that they seek out participants as they should. This subject is an example. Had they really wanted to know how many Irish women have abortions, they could seek out those women. This same flaw was used against the Down Syndrome study that was brought up in the previous thread that I linked to.


<I was not accusing you, merely pointing out that I have seen it here on this board from others. >

Thanks for the clarification. I just wanted to be sure since I hadn't seen those posts.

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Wed, 04-30-2008 - 11:16am
Since I am gathering that for this particular study Guttmacher tried to rely on official figures from reliable vice anecdotal sources, I do believe they did as comprehensive a job as the chart required, since they did asterisk those data fields where they believed the reported data was incomplete.

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Sandy
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Wed, 04-30-2008 - 11:30am

<And that is how you get "incomplete data". >


I would say that many/most of the studies then are incomplete since they rely on someone else voluntarily submitting the data to the person/people conducting the study.



The data collected in DC is voluntary. At least according to this link.






Table 1. Abortion reporting, by jurisdiction

Jurisdiction
Type of reporting

Mandatory
Voluntary

Abortion statute
Fetal death statute
Regulatory policy

Alabama
X







Alaska






X

Arizona




X



Arkansas
X*







California









Colorado


X†





Connecticut




X



Delaware
X







District of Columbia






X

Florida
X*







Georgia
X*







Hawaii


X





Idaho
X*







Illinois
X*







Indiana
X







Iowa
X*







Kansas
X







Kentucky
X







Louisiana
X







Maine
X







Maryland






X

Massachusetts
X







Michigan
X







Minnesota
X*







Mississippi
X*







Missouri
X*







Montana
X







Nebraska
X







Nevada
X*







New Hampshire






X

New Jersey






X‡

New Mexico
X*







New York


X





New York City
X







North Carolina
X*







North Dakota
X*







Ohio
X*







Oklahoma









Oregon
X*







Pennsylvania
X







Rhode Island


X*





South Carolina
X*







South Dakota
X







Tennessee
X







Texas
X*







Utah
X







Vermont
X







Virginia


X*





Washington




X



West Virginia






X‡

Wisconsin
X







Wyoming
X







*A regulatory policy guides abortion data collection in addition to state statute. †Abortion reporting is done in accordance with the state's death certification statute. ‡A broad health statute provides legal authority for abortion-related data collection.


http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/3024498.html

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Registered: 04-29-2005
Wed, 04-30-2008 - 11:36am
<I do believe they did as comprehensive a job as the chart required, since they did asterisk those data fields where they believed the reported data was incomplete>

The point I guess is that if they really wanted to know, they could have at least tried to seek out the women and gather as much information as possible instead of only what the chart required. Instead, they chose to use an asterisk instead. Maybe because that fit their agenda better?
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Wed, 04-30-2008 - 11:39am

It could be but the results would not be accurate just as the results about drug use or teen sex are usually not accurate. In fact you usually see something like "3 out of 5 teens admit to _____" so even the results will tell you they are only reporting those who admit to the activity.

There is no way to get an accurate number as long as at least one person will lie and there are always those who do not trust that it will be anonymous. In fact if I was facing possible legal action being told it was going to be anonymous would not be enough for me

ETA it is easier to get info about women who aborted for fetal anomalies in the states as they took a LEGAL action and face no consequences for stepping forward to talk about it. The parallel you are drawing between this study and the downs study is not accurate because women are not forced to keep quiet about abortion in the states for fear of legal repercussions so someones word that it would be anonymous would probably be enough.




Edited 4/30/2008 11:43 am ET by cl-misa101

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