The Irish set good example!

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The Irish set good example!
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Sat, 04-26-2008 - 9:48am
I think this was missed hidden in another thread - so I though I would post it here.

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Wed, 04-30-2008 - 3:32pm

Yeah, I think equal blame works :o)


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Wed, 04-30-2008 - 4:31pm

""How many teenagers do you know that can put their hands on $1640 without their parents' knowledge? ""


Not to mention, how many teenagers do you know that can conveniently disappear, out of the country, without their parents' knowledge?

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Wed, 04-30-2008 - 5:16pm

"But if it's anonymous, there would be no way for law enforcement to track them down. Studies are done all the time about topics that are illegal (example~drug use, driving under the influence, underage drinking...). Why couldn't one be done on this topic?"

Anonymous studies are notoriously inaccurate. If there's no accountability, there's no way to prove. Think about exit polls during an election year. Even knocking on doors and asking people outright is probably not going to get very accurate results because people are much more likely to tell you what they think you want to hear than to tell the truth, especially if they're ashamed of what they've done or worried about retribution.




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Registered: 06-17-2007
Wed, 04-30-2008 - 5:20pm

"They put ads in the paper.
They put ads on craigslist
They place flyers in OB and Pediatricians offices
same thing that is done for any other study"

With the notable exception that these particular venues tend not to work when you're asking people to report their illegal behavior. I've seen lots of adverts for studies in these venues, but none for topics such as underage drinking or illicit drug use (the examples you gave in an earlier post).




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Registered: 06-17-2007
Wed, 04-30-2008 - 5:25pm

"So pretty much none of the studies quoted here and on other sites are accurate since they all require the participants to be honest and for someone else to submit the data to the person/people conducting the study."

Pretty much, IMO. That's why I find it's a lot easier to draw conclusions about something that happened in the past (by examining records kept from the time), which is why I think we now have a much better idea about the numbers of abortions performed in our country prior to 1973 than we did in 1973. We can cross-reference different pieces of information to analyze numbers and trends, which is much harder to do when the information is being released constantly.




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Registered: 06-17-2007
Wed, 04-30-2008 - 5:29pm

"But yet studies are done all the time on participants that are/have engaged in illegal activity."

Yes, and they are horribly inaccurate.

"If AGI really wanted to know how many Irish women leave the country in order to obtain an abortion, they could have at least made an attempt."

Do we know for sure that they didn't? Even if they had, I doubt they'd try to pass it off as being very accurate for reasons that have already been stated.

"Of course doing so, the results may not have supported their agenda?"

This is a circumstantial ad hominem logical fallacy.




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Registered: 06-17-2007
Wed, 04-30-2008 - 5:39pm

"I was just thinking back to the previous thread where it was pointed out by some that the study about abortion and Down Syndrome was not accurate since it didn't make an attempt to contact those that aborted. No attempt was made to contact as many people as possible in order to make this study as accurate as possible."

Let's compare apples to apples, shall we? The method used in Guttmacher's study was the analysis of data collected between 1970-1995, according to the links Angil provided. In that case, they were not consulting anyone directly, but referring to information collected earlier by someone else. In that case, it would have made no sense for them to attempt a current collection of data just in Ireland, since it would have skewed the numbers in relation to other countries (which was a major purpose of the study).

Your comparison of the down's syndrome study and this one is simply inaccurate.




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Registered: 03-06-2008
Wed, 04-30-2008 - 6:40pm

since admitting to having an illegal abortion in Ireland means you are charged with a murder felony, I don't thing many if any woman would be willing to talk to anyone concerning their back alley abortions.

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Wed, 04-30-2008 - 8:39pm

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What the he????

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Wed, 04-30-2008 - 8:48pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guttmacher_Institute


The Guttmacher Institute is a non-profit organization which works to advance reproductive health as defined by the World Health Organization. The institute operates in the United States and globally "through an interrelated program of social science research, policy analysis and public education." According to their mission statement, this program aims to "generate new ideas, encourage enlightened public debate, promote sound policy and program development and, ultimately, inform individual decision making."


The Guttmacher Institute has played a leading role in the movement for women's sexual and reproductive rights since the institute's inception in 1968, when it was founded as the "Center for Family Planning Program Development", a semiautonomous division of The Planned Parenthood Federation of America. The Center was renamed in memory of Alan Guttmacher, an Ob/Gyn and former president of Planned Parenthood, and the Guttmacher Institute became an independent, not-for-profit corporation in 1977. Guttmacher's nearly four decades of experience claims to demonstrate that scientific evidence — when reliably collected and analyzed, compellingly presented and systematically disseminated — can make a difference in policies, programs, and medical practice.


The institute has offices in both New York City and Washington, D.C. As of 2005, it has an annual revenue of $7.9 million and expenses of $9.1 million, with an asset reserve of $15.6 million dollars. The institute produces two peer reviewed periodicals, International Family Planning Perspectives and Perspectives on Sexual and Reproductive Health, in addition to a third periodical on public policy, The Guttmacher Policy Review.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Guttmacher


Alan Frank Guttmacher, MD (1898-1974) was an American obstetrician/gynecologist who devoted his career to the welfare of women and minorities. He served as president of Planned Parenthood and vice-president of the American Eugenics Society. Dr. Guttmacher founded the American Association of Planned Parenthood Physicians, now known as the Association of Reproductive Health Professionals, as a forum for physicians to discuss the birth control pill and other advances in the field. He founded the Association for the Study of Abortion in 1964. He was a member of the Association for Voluntary Sterilization. The Guttmacher Institute is named after him.


In the end, I don't know how a Former President of PP could ever be unbiased representative, by way of naming the org after him.

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