Justice Dept. - Ask Hearing on PBA ban

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Justice Dept. - Ask Hearing on PBA ban
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Wed, 11-12-2003 - 3:14pm
Justice Department Asks N.Y. Judge for Expedited Hearing on

'Partial-Birth' Abortion Ban

http://www.kaisernetwork.org/daily_reports/rep_repro.cfm#20816

Read the speech a nurse gave in presenting evidence to help ban this procedure:

Baby's 'angelic' face haunts former abortion nurse

http://www.sbcbaptistpress.org/bpnews.asp?ID=17012

Pro-choice groups don't believe a hearing should be held on whether this bill is unconsitutional or not, and whether it is or isn't medically necessary.

(PPFA- Planned Parenthood Federation of America)

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If there is a difference in medical opinion about whether the procedure

is necessary to preserve the health of the mother, (the Supreme Court

ruling said) you need to have a health exception" (San Francisco

Chronicle, 11/11). >>>

Meaning they don't want the courts to prove whether this procedure is necessary or not. Seems interesting that a procedure that pc advocates believe is so necessary, shouldn't be proved, when if it was this could stop opposition from trying to ban this procedure again.

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Wed, 11-12-2003 - 3:50pm

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Somehow, I would be much more confident with a MEDICALLY TRAINED PROFESSIONAL helping me determine what is the best poosible choice when it regards my health- not Uncle Sam & cronies. I support Parker's comments 150%.

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Thu, 11-13-2003 - 8:26am
So you don't think that the doctors, or nurses, that testified this procedure was not medically necessary should've been taken seriously? The second article, I know you didn't read. Is by a nurse who testified to the Senate her account of three PBA's. And what they were like. The senate has based there finding on the fact that no medical doctor was able to prove this was medically necessary. Its nice to know that we only feel the gov't needs to be involved in matter involving the FDA, when it doesn't effect a PCer's right to choose to kill the pregnancy. Isn't it? The nurse also wrote her local politicians about getting this procedure stopped. 70% of this country on every poll done think this procedure is disgusting and unnecessary. Since you know so much about the PBA ban you'll also know many prominent doctor want this procedure banned. Just thought you'd like to know that PP, NOW, and NARAL are the only groups who don't like this procedure. They know its not medically necessary in anyway, and therfore don't want a trial. This procedure supplies many baby parts for testing on things like HIV, and other diseases. That's what the "tissue" is harvested for. Its ridiculous to think that women lived without abortions and this abortion is ever necessary. PCer's had 8 yrs. to debate why this procedure is necessary, and they were no'd on this issue 3 times. Please get a clue.
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Thu, 11-13-2003 - 8:47am

<<So you don't think that the doctors, or nurses, that testified this procedure was not medically necessary should've been taken seriously? >>


When a woman is in the doctor's office, she should be relying on HIS/HER medical advice, NOT legislation from gov't. As far as thsoe doctors or nurses, NO, I don't. It's similar to the vaccine arguments- you willfind

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Thu, 11-13-2003 - 8:51am
Don't get offended.

Just show me why this is medically necessary, for the 2nd time. I'm not upset by what you or anyone has said. I think its interesting I'm learning to understand that you have to have valid reasons for your debate.

Its interesting about the vaccines, who want there child injected with a new injection that contains fetal body parts? Prove this is safe? You can't. Testing hasn't even gone on long enough to prove this is safe. Anymore ideas?

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Thu, 11-13-2003 - 11:10am

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Thu, 11-13-2003 - 7:04pm
I,even as a PL, cannot imagine how anyone but a Dr can even think they have a right to get into this one. How can anyone but a woman's Dr in each and every single circumstance in which this might come up make a decision on it? I mean, for goodness sake, obviously ban it from being and ELECTIVE procedure.....but to ban it all together? I have read information about this preocedure goin in both directions . who is right and who is wrong?
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Thu, 11-13-2003 - 7:41pm

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Thu, 11-13-2003 - 8:08pm

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No. The cervix is dilated and then they pull the fetus out partially.


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The American College of Obstetricians & Gynecologists does not share your POV. See the "ACOG opposes *PBA* ban" post. I(F I were in the psition, since you would not be my doctor, I doubt your opinion would carry any wieght, and nor should it.

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Sat, 11-15-2003 - 2:56pm
Alright I did my own research and its interesting about this, since the disease is classifieds in the same area as Spinal Bifidia (for women who don't get enough Folic Acid during prgy, this can happen to your baby). I one time went with a friend to visit her brother, he'd been in a hospital almost all his life. When he was born he had Spinal Bifidia. On this ward were mainly children (ages 1 to 18 yrs. old) containing victims that were of severe cases. Her brother can't walk, can barely talk, and has a cleft lip, but he knows when his mother comes in the room, or sister. He reaches out and hugs them, and starts mumbling. He's confined to a bed because he can't walk.

I remember walking down the hall, and seeing some parents crying in the hall (mind you I was 13, this hard to see) the doctors were doing physical therapy on a 2 yr old girl with 1st degree burns over 80% of her body. The little girl was screaming in so much pain, they were making her move her legs, and I started crying right than and there, human compassion is best and I was old enough for what I see. I remember the doctor talking about the drainage of liquid from her brain, now after reading the article I found I relize more than ever they had to put a shunt in the back of her head. The thing that got to me most, was reading the writings on the indoor playground for the kids, the kids wrote how sick they felt and how they'd been their for so many weeks. Being a child who suffered from urinary blockage, I was in a place like this as well.

The latin term for hydro- is water and what is -cephalus? I'm guessing brain, can anyone clarify. The condition effects babies, but can effect adults. Partial birth abortion is not listed as a treatment. Please Review.

http://www.nhfonline.org/page6.html

Proper diagnoses and treatment involve inserting a shunt if the back of the brain to release water. This is very interesting since PBA isn't mentioned, not even termination of the pregnancy is mentioned as a treatment.

http://www.nhfonline.org/page4.html

These are facts on hyrdocephalus. It mainly occurs in babies. In closing show me something for real.

And the chicken pox vaccine contains lung tissue from aborted fetuses, as well as all those others.

I emailed the leader of this site and asked if PBA is a treatment for the fetus in the uterus. I will post her reply. This is a debate that I'm starting immediently after posting to you.

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Sat, 11-15-2003 - 6:19pm

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