March 31, 2009

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March 31, 2009
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Fri, 03-20-2009 - 12:09am

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Registered: 06-17-2007
In reply to: sadieshill
Fri, 03-20-2009 - 1:44am

Seems pretty vapid, on top of ineffective.

If I were PL (and I'm not), I would not be saying "Responsibility begins with conception." How exactly did the pregnancy occur? You and I both know that the act that causes conception can happen days and even a week prior to conception. Why delay responsible actions?

Until the PL lobby wakes up and realizes that responsibility starts with accurate sex education and inexpensive and easy access to effective means of contraception, they will not get more than a second of my time. At this moment, there are no major PL organizations who are doing anything realistic and effective to prevent pregnancies; only to try to stop women who are already pregnant from having/being able to have an abortion if they choose.

I'll paraphrase Thomas More, because I think it is oh so valid in this instance. If you suffer your people to be ill-educated about sex and corrupt the institutions that may correct their knowledge, and then punish them for those crimes to which their first education disposed them, what else is to be concluded but that you first make killers and then punish them?




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Registered: 03-07-2008
In reply to: sadieshill
Fri, 03-20-2009 - 5:03am
Pointless waste of money springs to mind. And all the energy that will be needed to either bin or recycle those envelopes. An empty envelope shouldn't change a person's mind
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Registered: 05-06-2007
In reply to: sadieshill
Fri, 03-20-2009 - 7:09am

One word springs to mind:


Silliness.

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Registered: 04-10-2003
In reply to: sadieshill
Fri, 03-20-2009 - 8:35am
Thanks- I think I'll email him and ask him how he's doing get FOCA pushed forward. No one has the right to impose health risks on another against their express will and consent.
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Registered: 05-02-2006
In reply to: sadieshill
Fri, 03-20-2009 - 12:20pm

Never heard of it before.

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Registered: 01-22-2009
In reply to: sadieshill
Sat, 03-21-2009 - 1:10am

I think that the money would be better

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Registered: 01-24-2009
In reply to: sadieshill
Fri, 03-27-2009 - 9:14pm
I have heard of the Red Envelope Day thing and I plan on sending my own red envelopes. This country is already going to hell (morally) in a handbasket and if FOCA is passed, well, let's just say I will be absolutely disgusted beyond belief and will have no respect for this President we have.

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Registered: 04-10-2003
In reply to: sadieshill
Fri, 03-27-2009 - 10:31pm
Why not worry abut your OWN body, health and life and quit trying to restrict the rights of other women to autonomously administer their own health care choices?
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Registered: 01-24-2009
In reply to: sadieshill
Fri, 03-27-2009 - 11:27pm

You know, I find it so ironic how PC folks believe their own opinion is more valid than a PLers. You're right, I have no right over your body. But then neither I nor you have any right over another innocent human beings body (the unborn child, which is NOT your body). That's where this whole argument stems from.

I am against the genocide of the unborn so I support this movement, and therefore do not support FOCA.


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Registered: 06-17-2007
In reply to: sadieshill
Sat, 03-28-2009 - 12:19am

"You know, I find it so ironic how PC folks believe their own opinion is more valid than a PLers."

When your opinion would limit my access to medical care, then yes, I do think opinions supporting my rights are more important than yours.

"But then neither I nor you have any right over another innocent human beings body (the unborn child, which is NOT your body)."

Really? Do you not have the right to decide what kind of nutrition you provide for your daughter? Did you not have the right to decide what kind of medical care she would receive when she was born? What kind of carseat, or whether you will keep her rearfacing when she reaches one year/20 lbs? Whether she gets fresh organic produce or Kraft Macaroni & Cheese? What kind of medical care she will receive when she gets sick or injured?

Parents make life-or-death decisions for their minor children every single day. You've probably made several of them already. You will make several more over the course of your daughter's childhood. I hope that you will never be faced with a decision involving the end of your child's life. Several people here have, however. If they had no rights to make decisions for their children, then who would be able to decide what kind of care they needed?

The fact is that we trust parents to make the right decisions for their children, and we trust women to make the right decisions for things that quite intimately involve their own bodies. You make it seem as if women are hardly involved with pregnancy, when that is hardly the case.




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