More US women dying during child birth

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More US women dying during child birth
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Tue, 08-28-2007 - 7:22am

Thought this was interesting. Definitely makes me fear the 'just have the baby and put it up for adoption' perspective.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20427256/

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Registered: 11-18-2005
Tue, 08-28-2007 - 8:40am

Well, if you read the article the jump is small. And overall the risk of maternal death is very rare.

Also, the increase in c-section rates may correlate to the increase in maternal death.

The article would not make me "fear" chilbirth.

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Tue, 08-28-2007 - 9:24am

I disagree.

 
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Registered: 06-03-2007
Tue, 08-28-2007 - 10:34am

The scary part is that a large proportion of our maternal deaths should be preventable, so why are we heading in the wrong direction? Under- and un-insurance which leads to a lack of prenatal care, which has a significant mortality burden not only on the mother but on neonates. Our rates of prematurity are also embarrassing and nauseating. Our healthcare system does a shoddy job of encouraging proactive preventive care, which could create better outcomes.

We also seem to have a culturally weird perspective on pregnancy - that it is simultaneously something that should ideally be highly medicalized and intervened in, but also that we as a society don't need to take care of women. The message is conflicting - pregnant women don't have special needs, and yet ought to be in rigid medical care.

My in-laws are all European. They assume that a gestating woman deserves certain special care, including excellent medical care and assurance that she will have post-partum support - in some nations even including subsidized post-partum doulas in addition to paid leaves and medical coverage. But they also assume that given this "safety net" she will with overwhelming likelihood safely labor and birth in the circumstance that she chooses - which may be midfwifery care, is often a birthing center or home birth. In many of those nations, a woman doesn't see an OB unless there are health concerns detected by a midwife or other specialist in healthy pregnancy. And lo and behold! They have lower cesarean section rates, lower rates of prematurity and neonatal mortality, lower maternal morbidity.

I'm just saying that I'm a big proponent of educating women accurately about not as much the mortality of pregnancy as the morbidity, but I really feel like with our current culture and healthcare system we create some of the dangers ourselves. For example, we make it fringe and weird and difficult to use alternative pain control methods such as laboring in water or walking freely during labor, leading to higher rates of pain control methods such as epidurals, which simply do have higher rates of complication. We railroad women into choices which create opportunity for complications.

Argh.

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Registered: 10-06-2010
Tue, 08-28-2007 - 5:06pm

"13 deaths per 100,000 live births in 2004"

I actually find that number to be really high in a country with so much medical technology. One of the reasons I don't want children is being pregnant and giving birth, it just scares me and to me is not worth it. I certainly wouldn't carry a child I didn't want.

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Registered: 11-18-2005
Wed, 08-29-2007 - 6:35am
The increase in risk is related to the increase in c-sections. Most of which are unnecessary. Iwould never have a c-section unless I knew it was medically necessary. So, i am not afraid of that risk.


Edited 8/29/2007 6:40 am ET by debbiemom2girls
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Registered: 11-18-2005
Wed, 08-29-2007 - 6:40am

But, it is b/c of that medical technology that women are dying.

Wome are told it is okay to have babies as old as they want to be. That is an increase in risk.

Women are told c-sections are nothing anymore. It is major surgery - it carries way more risk than a vaginal delivery. Unless it is aboslutely medically necessary, c-sections should never be performed.

Medical insurance is horrible in this country. Many women get no prenatal care and die from preventable but undetected conditions.

So, to say I will not have children b/c it is risky seems silly. A healthy woman who gets prenatal care, vaginal delivery has a very, very, small risk of maternal death.

You would have a better chance of getting killed in a car accident.

So, do you still drive?

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Registered: 03-31-2005
Wed, 08-29-2007 - 7:22am

You would have a better chance of getting killed in a car accident.


So, do you still drive?


Yes, i do because the risks of driving are worth it to me. I need food for my kids. And if I do not go to Target once a week I would be in withdraw!!! LOL


And I guess I am a little different because I am/was (we are finished having kids since dh had a vasectomy but my personal feelings have not changed) willing to risk a C-section for my WANTED children. I am very fortunate that I have only been pregnant twice in my life --both times planned ans ended with full term live babies.


Medical insurance is horrible in this country. Many women get no prenatal care and die from preventable but undetected conditions.


So, to say I will not have children b/c it is risky seems silly. A healthy woman who gets prenatal care, vaginal delivery has a very, very, small risk of maternal death.


And you are right medical insurance IS horrible. And how many of these woman HAVE insurance? I thought I read somewhere (correct me if I am wrong) that college students have the highest rate of abortions? Well if that is the case they might not have insurance that covers pregnancy. My husband works for a major company (the largest company in MD) and his insurance SPECIFICALLY does not cover a dependant child's pregnancy. So if my DD were in college now and got pregnant she would not have insurance that would cover it.


And no I do not think death is worth it if you are not willing to risk it.

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Registered: 10-06-2010
Wed, 08-29-2007 - 8:08am

"So, to say I will not have children b/c it is risky seems silly. A healthy woman who gets prenatal care, vaginal delivery has a very, very, small risk of maternal death."

Maybe to you but not to me.The risk of what could happen to me is not worth it to me. It is not the only reason I don't want children but it is one of the many.

"So, do you still drive?"
Yes, but not much and only because I have to. I need to eat and go to the doctors, I don't need to have a child.

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Registered: 11-18-2005
Wed, 08-29-2007 - 10:18am

Well, you have stated in the past repeatdly about how risky pregnancy is, etc. It is not risky to the extreme you always state.

I do not care nor do I think eveyrone should have children. I think it is a personal choice.

But, I do not like the "scare" statements you write about in your threads as valid reasons to not have children. it may be one of your reasons but it is not valid.

It is the same as my fear of flying. I hate to fly. I have every reason in the book to get out of flying in a plane. However, all the "statistics" and small risks I can come up with does not make my fear valid. I have a better chance of hitting the lottery than dying in a plane crash. But, I still hate to fly.




Edited 8/29/2007 10:29 am ET by debbiemom2girls
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Wed, 08-29-2007 - 5:50pm

"But, I do not like the "scare" statements you write about in your threads as valid reasons to not have children. it may be one of your reasons but it is not valid."

Any reason I feel not to want children is valid to ME and only me. I really don't care what you think is valid because you aren't me!

"But, I do not like the "scare" statements you write about in your threads as valid reasons to not have children. it may be one of your reasons but it is not valid."

You don't have to like MY reasons for not wanting children since they are MY reasons. If I feel it is a valid reason than for ME it is.

Geez, I am allowed to think and feel as I wish, and I do want to put MY body through pregnancy. You have NO right to tell me what is and is not a valid reason for ME and MY body.

"Well, you have stated in the past repeatdly about how risky pregnancy is, etc."

Also, could you possibly show me where I have "stated in the past repeatdly about how risky pregnancy is, etc." Thanks.




Edited 8/29/2007 5:57 pm ET by seirith

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