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Registered: 06-20-2003
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Sun, 06-22-2003 - 2:55pm
If people would use birth control, sterilization for couples who dont want children, and abstaining from sex, there would be hardly any abortions anyhow.

If the usa has 4000 babies taken by abortion each day, then how many of these "unwanted pregnancies" do you feel couldve been prevented in the first place, so that no pregnancy wouldve ever taken place?

The pc side will argue that rape, failed sterlization or failed birth control are in themselves a need to keep abortion legal. but how many abortions actually are from these three cases?

It wouldnt justify 4000 a day and likely not even 10 a day or even week.

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Registered: 03-26-2003
Sun, 06-22-2003 - 3:33pm
I agree...I don't think we actually know the percentage of abortions being performed because of failed birth control, but if used correctly birth control is very effective....so there shouldn't be 4,000 abortions being performed each day....even if you add in pregnancy due to rape or incest, which is like 1%....so that leaves what? Carelessness? Ignorance? Uneducation? So maybe we need to educate women more. I don't know...4,000 is too many...1 is too many.

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Registered: 06-09-2003
Sun, 06-22-2003 - 3:34pm
I agree, and the actual percentage of abortions done for reasons other than rape/health is 93% (as reported by the CDC). I believe that as long as abortion is considered "birth control" without restrictions (up to 24wks) that this number will not change. Because of my personal beliefs, I knew I could never get an abortion, so the only way I knew I would never be faced with an unplanned pregnancy was to abstain. Yes, everyone scoffs at this, but I truly felt empowered by this decision. I felt I was able to see relationships for what they were and was able to leave without the baggage of a sexual relationship. For years, it was difficult to discuss this up front because sex is just expected in a relationship. In this sense, I feel the "sexual revolution" has done a disservice to women.

I have seen friends scarred by abortion (emotionally and physically). I have seen friends adamantly defend their choice of having an abortion without listening any other viewpoint (which is human nature- we seek support to validate our own choices- right or wrong). To me, we have many choices, and the other 93% are unnecessary and irresponsible. I agree with counseling (not the biased counseling given at abortion clinics) that not only looks at the issue at hand and maps out EVERY choice, what abortion is, and what steps should be taken to stop this from happening again. This is not done and should be. If I can't help make abortion illegal- I want to make it obsolete.

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Registered: 06-11-2003
Sun, 06-22-2003 - 7:04pm
it doesn't matter how many abortions are due to whatever reason. You outlaw abortion and you will be taking away a woman's right to be able to choose when to be pregntn. you take away abortion and some, even if it is very few, women will DIE as a result leaving behind husbands, lovers, and children who needed them. streilization fro couples who don't want children? are you talking forced strerilization? or just ehavily pressured streilization? either one is a disgusting idea. it is the same as forcing pregnancy on a woman wgho doesn't want it. abstain from sex? you are kidding right? why?

i definitely feel that with better availability of ALL forms of birth controle nd contraceptin at affordable costs for ALL, better education for ALL including better sex education, heck..cheaper healthcare costs , better pay and more jobs....

and probably a few more things I cannot think of right now would help lowere the abortion rate. i would love to see less women getting pregnant when they don't want to be. i would love to see NO pregnancies ahving to be ended for medical reasons!

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Registered: 06-11-2003
Sun, 06-22-2003 - 7:06pm
again though, theis a problem with these statistics. we already know that very few rape and incest crimesa re ever reported therefore how are we supposed to ever know just how many abortions are due to rape and incest?
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Registered: 06-17-2003
Sun, 06-22-2003 - 10:07pm
I have to agree there. Honestly, and I know many won't agree, but if I ended up pregnant through rape or incest I probably wouldn't admit it. I mean, the experience itself has to be terrible enough, having to explain what happened to people i don't know would only make it worse. That's right up there actually forcing me to carry a child that I would hate and resent while watching it (in my opinion) destroy my body and my mental state. I'd rather have those total strangers think I was irresponsible or uneducated or a plain and simple whore if that's what they want to think than have to admit i was raped. After dealing with the torture of rape/incest, telling all just for a statistic's state is quite insignificant. Besides, in the end its really no one's business.
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Registered: 03-21-2003
Sun, 06-22-2003 - 10:16pm
Actually it is not nobody's business. Society has a vested interest in knowing about these rapes so that the rapist can be locked up and prevented from raping another person. It's not for the statistic at all.

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Registered: 06-17-2003
Sun, 06-22-2003 - 10:25pm
Actually, I was making that comment in reference to abortions. It's incredibly stupid to assume that I wouldn't tell the police or anyone who could help catch the rapist. That would be equally as hard, but it would at least help keep that person away from other women. I'm smart enough to realize that, thank you. But the person who performs the abortion can't do that, neither can all those little protesters. So therefore, its none of THEIR business and I would like to keep whatever dignity i had left by not having to explain my life to them in order justify my choice. So yeah, I'd rather let them think the worst about me.
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Registered: 06-11-2003
Mon, 06-23-2003 - 12:05am
our society places a huge stigma to begin with on women who like to have sex, that they are whores or sluts, that they don't respect themselves or others, that they make poor parents......

there is still a stigme in our society about rape victims that "what did they do to deserve it", "well, she was wearing.......","she shouldn't have been where she was or who she was with..."

no matter how much a woman tells herself it is not her fault, the reactions of those round her tell her otherwise.

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Registered: 05-01-2003
Mon, 06-23-2003 - 1:31am
ooooh this is a tough one! i guess i feel that nore education is needed...there are plenty of health care options for women that can't afford BC through regular doctors (ie planned parenthood, even though i don't trust the organization). as for young women i think that parents need to be more involved with thir kids lives...its their duty. as for 20 something women and up, they need to be responsible for their own lives. right now i feel that people are simply irrisponsible for their behavours...no one who is in their 20's or older doesn't know about BC of some sort (unless they are coming from some really isolated religous group). as far as rapes/molestations go though...i agree with the stigmatism that goes along with the whole thing. it took me twelve years to tell anyone about my rapes. even though i knew that the system worked, and that i should protect other women from the men that attacked me, i still kept quiet. part of that was because i was laughed at right after the rape by someone i went to for help, i was called a liar and a little whore. how many other women went through that too? how could i explain a pregnancy at 13 years old? or any age really (since my abuse went up till i was 18). i couldn't fathom it. i posted another message about prevention on the board and i guess i feel that this topic relates......angel
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Mon, 06-23-2003 - 4:33am
why do you ridicule the abstainance option?? from your post i got the impression that you thought it was a stupid invalid idea. it is as valid an option as choosing to use condoms or the pill. not everone will want to abstain (just like not everyone will want to use a condom, or the pill), but it is as valid an option as any other.

i agree that better education is needed, but not only with how to use birth control (why is it called birth control anyway? wouldn't 'conception control' be a better name?) but with how a woman's body works. when birth control is being taught is the fact that your fertility goes down after you're 25 taught too? are our young women taught that if they put off children too long they may find it very difficult (and in some cases impossible) to have children. or are they taught that after the age of 35 you are more likely to have a child that has some form of disability. i think that ALL the information is needed for a woman to make a wise choice for when she wants children.

(that last paragraph was not directed solely at you enjay69)

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