New Abortion Law Discussion

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Registered: 04-03-2003
New Abortion Law Discussion
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Thu, 04-03-2003 - 2:50pm
Hi

I'm a freshman at Brookdale Community College in New Jersey. And for my term paper for English class..I have to write a paper about the Possibility of five new abortion laws that are going into (or have already gone into) effect. And in order to have some different perspectives about how people feel about these laws..I'm going to message boards all over the net for some feedback. If you choose to answer, and I hope you do, please Be honest. I want to get all different points of view for this paper. I want to gain a new perspective on the issue at hand.

1. Parental Notification and permission must be given for minors to get an abortion.

2. A 24 hour waiting period must be established after the parental consent before a minor can get an abortion.

3. Banning state funding for abortions

4. Consent from the father of the baby before an abortion can be done.

5. Abortion to (maybe) be considered a criminal act.

Do you agree? disagree?...


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Registered: 03-26-2003
Tue, 04-08-2003 - 12:27pm
1. Parental Notification and permission must be given for minors to get an abortion.

Yes, however, there should be a fairly easy way to waive permission if the parents refuse permission; or in the case of parental abuse, of if the minor doesn't live w/parents, etc.

2. A 24 hour waiting period must be established after the parental consent before a minor can get an abortion.

No, as I'm not sure what this would accomplish. If a woman has already decided to abort, I'm sure she's had far more than 24 hours to come to that decision.

3. Banning state funding for abortions

No.

4. Consent from the father of the baby before an abortion can be done.

No.

5. Abortion to (maybe) be considered a criminal act.

Absolutely not.




Edited 4/8/2003 12:47:04 PM ET by iomoon

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Registered: 03-26-2003
Wed, 04-09-2003 - 10:26am
What is the point of having parental notification or consent if you're going to have a way to waive it in case the parents refuse it? That does NOT make sense at ALL. You may as well take the parents rights away completely right from the get go. You have already by having a back up "just in case" they refuse parental consent in the first place....think about it.

Amazing to me that anybody would want to take parental rights and responsibilities away from parents...especially where their young teenage daughters are concerned...but yet at the first hint of trouble with our teens who is the first to scream out and blame the parents???!! Amazing!

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Registered: 03-26-2003
Wed, 04-09-2003 - 10:59am
>>>What is the point of having parental notification or consent if you're going to have a way to waive it in case the parents refuse it?

To give the opportunity for parental involvement with the pregnant child in making the important and confusing decision about abortion.

In the event that the parents either don't want or can't be involved, are abusive or neglectful, are not living with the child, that right should be waived.

>>>Amazing to me that anybody would want to take parental rights and responsibilities away from parents...especially where their young teenage daughters are concerned...but yet at the first hint of trouble with our teens who is the first to scream out and blame the parents???!! Amazing!

I don't recall anywhere in my original reponse screaming out or placing blame or taking away parental rights or responsibilities. I am saying that in the event that parents are unable or unwilling to be responsible, the parental consent should be waived, as to prevent additional hardship to the child wanting the abortion.

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Registered: 03-28-2003
Wed, 04-09-2003 - 11:34am
I agree that parental consent should be necessary. In my opinion, the parents should have total knowledge of any medical procedures their children undergo, especially because they could be held liable for any care if complications with an abortion occur. I would assume that if the parents are not with the child, another legal guardian would still have the ability to give consent, and couldn't this guardianship even be temporary in the case of abusive parents?

Liz

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Registered: 03-26-2003
Wed, 04-09-2003 - 11:46am
>>>I would assume that if the parents are not with the child, another legal guardian would still have the ability to give consent, and couldn't this guardianship even be temporary in the case of abusive parents?

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That sounds like a good addendum to the "law"; even if it was, as you suggested, a temporary guardianship, perhaps assigned at the court.

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Registered: 03-21-2003
Wed, 04-09-2003 - 12:04pm
I have to agree. The majority of parents are not abusive toward their children. Writing a law that removes their right to determine what happens with their daughter because of few parents cannot handle their responsibility does a terrible injustice to them. A teen cannot get an immunization without parental consent, she certainly shold NOT have access to abortion without consent.

I think there is a noble effort in this country by those on the PC side to provide health care to these young women. I just disagree completely that parents are the enemy and have to be blocked from the process. So many girls think their parents are going to "kill them" for being irresponsible, but that is not the case in the majority of them. And if a girl is in an abusive situation, she needs more help than just access to abortions.

Kim 

Mom to Brad, Ma

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Registered: 03-26-2003
Wed, 04-09-2003 - 4:55pm
Parental Notification and permission must be given for minors to get an abortion.

*I'll go with parental notification on this one, but I don't believe that parents should have the right to "choose" for their pregnant daughters. I considered an abortion at the age of 20, you can be damn well sure that I wouldn't have BREATHED a word to my parents about it, had I done it......it would have done nothing but lent negativity to our relationship. And as someone else stated, "The parents could be held liable for difficulties resulting from abortion.....but where does the law state the parents are held liable for raising a child, or difficulties due to childbirth? Nah uh...doesn't wash with me.*



2. A 24 hour waiting period must be established after the parental consent before a minor can get an abortion.

*No, of course not.....what would be the point in that? *scratching head?*

3. Banning state funding for abortions

*No! All it would do is add to the number of crack addicted babies tossed out in garbage bags....nope..keep the funding in place! Thank God Alberta Health helps cover abortions as a medical procedure!*


4. Consent from the father of the baby before an abortion can be done.

*No way in HELL! Unless there becomes a way for that man/boy to gestate and give birth himself, it is not his position. Besides, what if the girl doesn't know who the father is? You can't do paternity tests on a fetus.*


5. Abortion to (maybe) be considered a criminal act.

*Absolutely NOT!*

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Wed, 04-09-2003 - 6:09pm
"but where does the law state the parents are held liable for raising a child"

Ummm, it's considered neglect if a parent just doesn't raise his or her child, and yes, I think if a child was injured from pregnancy or an abortion, a parent would still be held liable for her medical care. While there are definitely cases of neglect that go unpunished, unfortunately, there are definitely laws against neglect or abandonment of children by parents.

Liz

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Registered: 03-26-2003
Wed, 04-09-2003 - 6:51pm
Well, number 4 is particularly horrendous not to mention totally impractical.But, I'll address each in like order:

1. Parental Notification and permission must be given for minors to get an abortion."

I disagree. There are some parents who wouldnt agree to allowing a minor to abort. This would in effect force that minor to carry to term. Forcing anyone to carry to term is a violation of human rights. To reproduce when they want to.

Notification I could perhaps stomach, though I disagree strongly with it, but permission? No.



2. A 24 hour waiting period must be established after the parental consent before a minor can get an abortion."

Again, no. What is the point other than to try to coerce women into carrying to term. Let them make up their own minds and then move forward with that decision in their own time frame.

3. Banning state funding for abortions"

Disagree. This would hurt only women without means. Abortion, like all basic health care, should be subsidized by the state for women without means.

4. Consent from the father of the baby before an abortion can be done."

Absolutely not! What about the fathers who don't want to know? What about the women who have one night stands and don't want to tell the fathers, or don't even *know* who the father is? Rape victims? Incest victims? No. Fathers don't have the right to tell a woman she can't abort.



5. Abortion to (maybe) be considered a criminal act."

No for so many reasons I can't even be bothered to state them all.




MM 17 weeks 6 days pregnant w/twins

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Registered: 03-26-2003
Thu, 04-10-2003 - 3:47pm
Sorry you misunderstood..I didn't mean the parents of the baby, I meant the parents of the child that "had" the baby.......there is no where in written law where it states they Must care for the newborn...should the original Mother default. Lil

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