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Sun, 01-31-2010 - 10:58pm

I've been an occasional lurker here just because I love a good debate, but I rarely get involved because I can get caught up in it and never leave...;) There is a question that I have for all the pro choicers out there.

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Registered: 12-16-2009
Mon, 02-01-2010 - 1:28pm

~She actually died 5 times but the baby's heartbeat kept her alive.~

How is this possible?

~recently~ ~Christine is the only pregnant woman to ever survive ARDS.~

No. The survival rate of pregnant women with ARDS is similar to that of those with ARDS in the general population.

http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/303852-overview

(Unfortunately I know quite a bit about ARDS, one of my daughters had it for months.)

~the placenta wasn't allowing it into her body to protect her baby~

I'm not sure how this is possible, as the medication wouldn't be administered through her placenta. It would *already be in her body before it reached the placenta, but maybe then it was filtered out?

eta Treatment of pregnant women with ARDS today is pretty much the same as those of women with ARDS who aren't pregnant.




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Mon, 02-01-2010 - 1:34pm

~This is a beautiful story, but it doesn't change anything WRT why abortion needs to remain safe, legal and accessible for those who need/desire it.~

I agree that it's beautiful, but it is also (thankfully) incorrect. The treatment and survival rate of pregnant women with ARDS is pretty much the same as for those who are not pregnant.

http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/303852-overview

I agree that, either way, it's not something on which to prevent safe, legal, accessible abortion.

~Please understand that anecdotal stories like this will not change the minds of PC'ers on this board, either.~

True. In fact, given the inaccuracies in two of the anecdotes offered (ie. Tebow and Christine) I'm probably more leery than ever of taking such decisions out of the hands of the pregnant woman.

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Mon, 02-01-2010 - 1:49pm

Thank you for the info on ARDS. I had never heard of before. "Thankfully" is right!

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Registered: 12-16-2009
Mon, 02-01-2010 - 2:17pm

~preemies... he beat all of the odds against him...the hole in his heart didn't close all the way~

Just to clarify, the hole in his heart (patent ductus arteriosis) normally closes by itself in full term babies, but may stay open in preemies. So that, too, was an odd against him due to his premature birth.

http://chealth.canoe.ca/channel_health_features_details.asp?health_feature_id=230&article_id=767&channel_id=2026&relation_id=18308

I'm sorry the he did not not survive. xox

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Mon, 02-01-2010 - 2:53pm

You've received some good answers already.

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Mon, 02-01-2010 - 3:47pm
Since all of these questions were raised in my own mind, I'll just say ITA.




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Mon, 02-01-2010 - 5:29pm

To understand this argument means you need to put aside the feeling that only the choice you would make is right. To truly understand would be to live the decision making process and that isn't something I'd wish on anyone. I was privileged enough to be asked for my opinion when a friend was facing just this choice after an incredibly devastating prenatal diagnosis. She decided to induce labor at 22 weeks and the babe was born still. They were able to hold him, take pics and say hello/goodbye. He would not have survived.

To understand "life of the mother" arguments you need to accept that there are people far more knowledgeable about a particular woman's medical history than you or I will ever be. I'm not her care provider, I'm not her and her decision isn't any of my business.

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Mon, 02-01-2010 - 5:40pm

24 weeks is considered viable but it still doesn't mean good odds. Only 40 percent of babies born at 24 weeks even survive and those stats don't even address quality of life.

Also by the time viability is reached elective abortion has become a moot point unless you plan to do it yourself. At that point if abortions are done it is for fetal defects or maternal health.

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Mon, 02-01-2010 - 5:59pm

Matthew in many way beat the odds of the only issue he had as a micro preemie was a PDA (patent ductus arteriosus). This is generally considered a minor problem compared to others they face because it is correctable.

Micro preemies are at increased risk for

ROP (Retinopathy of prematurity) winch can lead to live long vision problems and blindness.

IVH (intraventricular hemorrhage) wich is a bleeding in the brain. Depending on the severity of the hemmorage there could be no lasting damage or the child could end up in a persistent vegetative state.

NEC ( Necrotizing Enterocolitis) which is basically when a part of their bowels die off. Food is no longer digested properly and goes bad in the intestines. This can lead to septic shock.

Then there is type two jaundice which is caused by liver failure. The TPNs they use to feed babies who can not yet digest breast milk or formula cause liver damage.

Micro preemies also have issues with blood sugars, blood pressure, chronic infections, and a myriad of other problems.

With 60% dying and a large majority of the survivors having life long struggles it is not as black and white as "give birth and they will live"

Also even if a mother gives birth when a child is that premature doctor's specifically ask you if you want medical intervention or to just hold them until they pass.

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Mon, 02-01-2010 - 6:29pm

Well apparently more than you think, otherwise we wouldn't have things such as partial birth abortion.


Well, as Erosia pointed out, there is no such medical procedure as a "partial birth abortion." But more importantly, as Holly pointed out, "partial birth abortions" were made illegal so we do not, in fact, have any such thing as a "partial birth abortion." So again, I ask, how often does this actually happen? Do you have some sort of an idea, like maybe some facts or statistics, or are you just assuming that women everywhere are deciding to terminate their fetuses instead of deliver them early?


As for your question:


I'm talking about the law that allows abortion when the mother's life is in question.

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