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Sun, 01-31-2010 - 10:58pm

I've been an occasional lurker here just because I love a good debate, but I rarely get involved because I can get caught up in it and never leave...;) There is a question that I have for all the pro choicers out there.

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Wed, 02-03-2010 - 8:23am
I believe it varied from place to place but IIRC in Canada and the US there were allowances for maternal health. The problem arose when doctors had to get second opinions to cover themselves from criminal charges, In my case I would have died. Even getting me in for surgery within 20 mins it was still a near thing.
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Wed, 02-03-2010 - 11:48pm

What other "options" do you think are available to the woman other than gestating the product of the rape (ie. if abortion is not permitted)?


Adoption


At any rate, I gather that you object also to the use of hormonal birth control, given that it too ends life (I'm so surprised right now that I can't recall if we've discussed that).


You are correct.

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Thu, 02-04-2010 - 12:03am

Well I just did a little research on the ectopic pregnancy.

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Thu, 02-04-2010 - 12:09am

My sister & I have a friend who had 2 fetus died and she carried them for a couple of months while they rotten away inside of her. She swelled up and became very ill, don't you think she should of been allowed to have a abortions for that?


That's not an abortion, that's a miscarriage and that's what D & Cs are for.

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Thu, 02-04-2010 - 12:27am

Sorry, but I don't think it's right to force a woman to gestate and birth the baby of her rapist.


Whether a rape victim wishes to see it this way or not, the baby is a product of a rape yes, but half of that baby is still her.

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Thu, 02-04-2010 - 12:51am

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Oh, it's more complicated than that. Statements like yours reveal the short-sightedness of the PL position. Your position calls for actions after pregnancy, yet you clearly have not considered the possible ramifications of those actions.

If a woman is raped and conceives as a result of the encounter, it's not just as easy as "I'll put the baby up for adoption" and it's done. If the woman knows her attacker, and statistically most of them do, that can be a way for the attacker to remain in the woman's life. A woman cannot sign away a biological father's rights to his child, so a rapist who impregnates his victim could block her access to adoption services. He could force her into a custody situation, wherein she could be required to either care for the child and deal with him on a regular basis as part of visitation, or pay him child support if he got custody. You might think that someone who commits the monstrosity of rape surely would have parental rights terminated but that is not always the case. Even men who beat their wives half to death get visitation rights with their kids, unless they pose an imminent threat to them as well.

The fact is that this scenario also applies to women who conceived out of a normal sexual experience but wish to put the child up for adoption. There aren't many U.S. states that will sever both parents' rights by the mother's wishes- four, I think. All others require notification of the biological father before adoption proceedings can begin and the father can certainly block an adoption if he wishes to do so. There was a case of this in Idaho last year, where a woman put her newborn up for adoption, the father blocked it and now she must pay him child support.

In the case of rape, I just don't know how a law banning abortion could make pregnancy more of a punishment. If the point is life, how could you possibly ensure that a woman who was forced to gestate the by-product of her attack (and possibly forced to have interactions with him for decades afterward) would get good prenatal care?

Beyond that, you fail to consider her family. What if the woman is in a long-term relationship? A couple of months ago, I had a discussion about this with my husband of ten years. I told him that if I were ever raped and got pregnant from it, I wasn't sure I could get an abortion because I really am personally opposed to it. He said he wasn't sure how he'd be able to deal with that.

So in thinking about the women who would be forced, by your reasoning, to gestate a pregnancy resulting from rape, how many other lives have you failed to consider? What if she's married, or has other children? Should their lives be destroyed to satisfy your own personal beliefs? And what about the woman herself? You have already said that you have no experience with rape yourself or with anyone you know. How can you possibly prescribe actions, then, for someone who has gone through such horrible trauma as to be sexually assaulted and become pregnant by it? What makes you qualified to decide what they can/cannot or should/should not handle?




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Thu, 02-04-2010 - 1:17am

~What other "options" do you think are available to the woman other than gestating the product of the rape (ie. if abortion is not permitted)?~

~~Adoption~~

I'm sorry, but your answer is nonsensical.

Adoption can't even take place until *after gestating ... not an option "other than gestating".

It's probably just as well, then, that the decision isn't yours to make for any other woman. Anyway, re: this, too, be careful what you wish on others.

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Thu, 02-04-2010 - 2:57am
No not at 6 and 7 months alone it is not and she was FORCE to delivered. She gave birth to dead rotting fetus's. The first one she delivered alone, no Dr or nurse at all. The Dr had the nerved to send her a bill for the birth. The second one I think the nurse delivered for her, this was back home at the "so called good hospital" I wouldn't allow my cat to be treated there.
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Thu, 02-04-2010 - 7:44am

>What other "options" do you think are available to the woman other than gestating the product of the rape (ie. if abortion is not permitted)?
Adoption<

In a perfect world yes but unfortunately it is not unless the rapist agrees to sign the adoption papers.

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Thu, 02-04-2010 - 7:46am

You assume that because a child is born premature it would have a chance at life. Parents have the right to refuse medical intervention for preemies.

Also if it happens at 20 weeks there is no guarantee the mother would survive four weeks to viability. That is along time to bleed out internally

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