Parental Rights Question

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Parental Rights Question
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Thu, 04-02-2009 - 8:53pm

Ok so this indirectly involves abortion but I wanted opinions from people who are pro life...


When do parental rights begin? By that I mean the the right of a parent to make decisions on behalf of their child without fear of a doctor or the government stepping in and forcing their opinion?


The reason I ask is due to the whole fetal rights movement. I know it is meant to limit the reproductive rights of women who are seeking an abortion but what happens when it starts limiting the rights of women who wish to continue a pregnancy?


For example a woman is 41+ weeks pregnant and thus far other than being late there are no other concerns. Her OB wanted to schedule an induction date and she is against it wanting to go into labor on her own. Should her OB be able to force her via court order to undergo an induction all in the name of fetal rights? Where do her rights as a parent begin?


Another example is a woman of

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Registered: 06-17-2007
Thu, 04-02-2009 - 10:04pm

I'm not pro-life, but I will answer. There really aren't a whole lot of vehemently PL regular people on this board.

I don't think that OB's or hospitals should be able to force women to have any procedures while pregnant. Any procedure poses inherent risks to the women, who have to able to consent to those procedures.

Beyond that, it's infinitely regressive. If we can force women to have an AFP (a blood test with a high rate of inaccurate reporting), then can we force them to take a certain kind of prenatal vitamins or maintain a certain diet?




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Registered: 03-06-2008
Fri, 04-03-2009 - 9:14am

Thanks...I am pro choice simply because I do not believe the government or my personal opinions should infringe of the rights of another woman.


I was just a little confused because I do not think the people who support the whole fetal rights movement understand that it could potentially place the rights of every pregnant woman in the hands of doctors and the courts. I was looking up statistics for the US, and I admit that these could be slightly flawed,

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Fri, 04-03-2009 - 11:38am

I would assume that the same guidelines would be used are are used for determining when the government can step in and make choices about the health care of our born children. IIRC a procedure (or lack thereof) has to present a clear and present risk to a child health before the gov can step in. This is why while they can not force me to vaccinate my children they can step in and demand I at least try chemo before allowing my child to die.

So keeping that in mind they would still not be able to force a woman to be inducted if there was no risk to the fetus. As far at fetal testing since I have the right to turn down screening on my born children I would also have the right to turn down testing on a fetus. I Highly doubt the proposed act would give a fetus more right than a born child but I could be wrong.

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Fri, 04-03-2009 - 12:56pm

I agree with you.

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Registered: 05-02-2006
Fri, 04-03-2009 - 1:44pm

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This is pretty much exactly my position on the whole subject as well, and probably explains why I agree with a lot of what you said.


I think instead of "parental rights", it's really more just simply an issue of "womens' rights".

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Fri, 04-03-2009 - 6:24pm
Chrissy, I believe you are asking a strange question. The OB works for the patient not the other way around. No OB can compel a patient to undergo a labor induction if the patient does not give her consent. On the other hand if she is post-due and the OB thinks that this would be the safest option for this patient I wonder why she would not take the medical advice given. After all that is what you are paying for, the expertise of the OB. I think your friend should be aware of the complications of post date babies. The potential for fetal damage versus her desire to "go into labor" on her own seems pretty weak to me.
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Registered: 02-06-2009
Sat, 04-04-2009 - 9:59am

< On the other hand if she is post-due and the OB thinks that this would be the safest option for this patient I wonder why she would not take the medical advice given. After all that is what you are paying for, the expertise of the OB. I think your friend should be aware of the complications of post date babies. The potential for fetal damage versus her desire to "go into labor" on her own seems pretty weak to me. >


I think it depends on your previous experience. I was induced at 1 week past due and it was an utterly horrendous experience. I would insist on going at least 2 wks past due before I'd allow them to do that to me again.


Each to her own, which I think is rather the point of the OP's post :O)


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Sat, 04-04-2009 - 1:06pm
I am sorry for you bad experience. However, one cannot make a general rule from one experience good or bad. Each pregnancy is different. One needs to communicate with the OB to determine what he or she is thinking. Why does the OB want to induce? We have not been given the answer to these question. Why does she not trust the advice of her OB?
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Sat, 04-04-2009 - 1:38pm

Yes that is my point. My examples were purely hypothetical but I do know lots of woman who have had horrendous induction stories that usually led to c-sections. The the nightmare of trying to get a VBAC and being denied such.


Pregnancy has been way over medicalized in the US and there is potential for it

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Sat, 04-04-2009 - 5:26pm

<I am sorry for you bad experience.>


Thank you.


ach pregnancy is different.>


Precisely. We can no more say that the OB is necessarily right in this instance than we can say that the OB is necessarily wrong. We can only say that the final decision must be left with the pregnant woman in consultation with her OB.



My last post was intended to give a possible answer to that question.





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