Paternal consent for abortions??

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Paternal consent for abortions??
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Fri, 08-03-2007 - 1:45pm

http://www.msmagazine.com/news/uswirestory.asp?ID=10459

August 2, 2007

Ohio Bill Would Make Abortion Illegal Without Paternal Consent

A group of Ohio state legislators have submitted a bill that would ban women from obtaining abortions without consent from the man who impregnated her. The proposal comes two weeks after Rep. Tom Brinkman proposed a law that would ban all abortions in Ohio.

In addition to mandating that abortion providers obtain paternal consent before proceeding with an abortion, the proposed bill would also require women to provide a list of previous sexual partners in cases where the fetus' paternity was unknown. Abortion providers would then have to perform paternity tests.

Supporters of the bill tout it as a measure that would give men a say in the abortion decision. If the bill is passed, women in violation of the law will be tried criminally for abortion fraud, a first-degree misdemeanor. Men falsely claiming paternity and medical providers who perform abortions without paternal consent would be similarly charged.

"This extreme bill shows just how far some of our state legislatures are willing to go to rally a far-right base that is frustrated with the pro-choice gains made in the last election," said NARAL Pro-choice Ohio executive director Kellie Copeland. "It is completely out of touch with Ohio's mainstream values. This measure is a clear attack on a woman’s freedom and privacy."

The Record-Courier reports that Brinkman's abortion ban is unlikely to pass, but Adams' has an outside chance at becoming law.

Media Resources: Record-Courier 7/30/07; NARAL Pro-choice Ohio

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Registered: 07-29-2004
Fri, 08-03-2007 - 1:48pm
So, my further question on this. If we give men the right to stop an abortion, can he then bring an unwilling woman in and FORCE an abortion?? After all, this law will be the equivalent af subjugating all women to the opinions of the men in their lives. Also, will a woman have to go find her rapist and get him to sign a consent? And does this law then go into other medical decisions? I mean should I have to have my DH's consent to get an IUD or my surgery that I had a while back? If I get pg, does he have to consent to my OB appts., my U/S, my midwife delivery????
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Fri, 08-03-2007 - 1:50pm

Welcome to the dark ages....now not only are we seeaking to take choice away from teens ....but treating grown woman as children as well....I can see it now " Ohio bill would require women to obtain consent from parents/ partner to take BC/MAP"...I wonder what would happen if a woman couldn't find the father in a reasonable time...I'd sure as H*ll make the state pay for the more expensive abortion if I had to undergo a surgical abortion instead of a "medicated" abortion

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Fri, 08-03-2007 - 2:05pm

So I guess my question would be, how could they charge a man for falsely claiming paternity? I mean, how would they even know? Are the doctors supposed to save the uterine contents after a suction abortion to run a test to make sure the guy who signed the consent was actually the father? Are women who have non-surgical abortions supposed to stow the goo that comes out in a Rubbermaid Servin' Saver for later paternity testing?

Or have there been some advances in early in-utero paternity testing that I don't know about?

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Registered: 07-29-2004
Fri, 08-03-2007 - 2:12pm

"Or have there been some advances in early in-utero paternity testing that I don't know about?"

Not that I know about, which makes this line rediculous. "Abortion providers would then have to perform paternity tests" Because it would have to be after the fact!

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Registered: 05-11-2005
Fri, 08-03-2007 - 2:23pm

There are actually pre natal paternity tests available, its done via an amnio or a CVS

http://www.genetree.com/paternity/prenatalPaternity.php

http://www.paternity-answers.com/paternity-prenatal-test.html

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Registered: 07-29-2004
Fri, 08-03-2007 - 2:37pm
Who pays for it then? If the state requires it to get something that is legal, shouldn't they pay for it? Also, I know amnios are typically done at a time that abortions would be late-term, although they did list another method that could be used earlier. Either way, both procedures are risky to both mother and the e/z/f, so if the point is to try to stop the abortion, is it really a good idea to force something that could end up causing complications anyways?
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Registered: 05-11-2005
Fri, 08-03-2007 - 2:42pm
I'm "rabidly" pro choice anyway so i'm dead against this bill - even though i do live in the UK.
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Fri, 08-03-2007 - 2:48pm

"So I guess my question would be, how could they charge a man for falsely claiming paternity? I mean, how would they even know? Are the doctors supposed to save the uterine contents after a suction abortion to run a test to make sure the guy who signed the consent was actually the father? Are women who have non-surgical abortions supposed to stow the goo that comes out in a Rubbermaid Servin' Saver for later paternity testing?"

Via a blood test from the woman they can now determine paternity at 12 weeks into pregnancy.

I'm PL and I would strongly oppose this bill. If they were to do the blood test as the way of determining paternity (I'm not sure how else they would do it unless we are talking amnio, which is pricey) that would put more abortions into the 2nd trimester.

Ella Grayce

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Fri, 08-03-2007 - 3:01pm
This bill makes no sense. Until we take care of all the dead beat dads we already have. Also what if the abortion is for medical reasons? does he still get a say? how about if he raped her? If I was raped I would carry the child but I would never tell the man it was his. This bill does not take into account abusive men either.



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Fri, 08-03-2007 - 3:18pm

Holy Crap!!!!!! I live in Ohio and I have never even herd of this bill. I am a person who is highly intrested in reproductive freedoms and the abortion debate. I feel like this is soemthing that I should know about. I wonder if they are trying to pass this hush hush to prevent outrage or protest.

We do have alot of progressive people in our state (even thought it is - falsly IMO - labled as a red state) almost every candidate who was elected in our city was a pro-choice cantidate this past November. Ohio has pulled this crap before but this bill is so rediculious I am sure it will be throughn out.

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