PL vs. PC not on same level?

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PL vs. PC not on same level?
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Wed, 02-06-2008 - 12:45am

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Wed, 02-06-2008 - 10:23pm

< Am I correct in assuming that a pro-choice fear is that anti-abortion wont be the only thing that is enforced? >>

If I understand your post correctly, my response is thus:
I don't know anyone who is "pro-abortion". I don't know anyone who even takes it lightly. I have heard of situations where people feel their rights are so beleaguered, they become defensive and can't as easily discuss the inherent tragedy of abortion for fear that PL people will see it as a sign of weakness. I see it as a sign of strength.

I do think that we do a fair amount of discussing religious vs scientific fact here. It's a tough thing to do because we want to respect people's religious beliefs as much as we can, as long as they aren't trying to extend them into the lives of others that don't share those beliefs.

As to your last line, I don't think I understand what you mean but I'm PC and I fear that PLs want to enforce their often religiously based beliefs in my life, and yes, I have an additional fear that there are other beliefs commonly associated with PL that I would not want to see enforced such as decreased access to contraception or fact-based education.

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Registered: 07-13-2007
Wed, 02-06-2008 - 10:44pm

>>Out of curiosity, and if it isn't too personal, does that mean no birth control?<<


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Wed, 02-06-2008 - 11:38pm

Thank you so much for answering :)

 

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Thu, 02-07-2008 - 10:56am
Thanks - yes, that does clarify your position for me!


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Thu, 02-07-2008 - 11:08am
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Thu, 02-07-2008 - 1:09pm

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Registered: 07-13-2007
Thu, 02-07-2008 - 3:13pm

Hi Sue,


I understand what you're saying... I think my sister and the girls at church would agree with you! :) And I'm not replying to judge you or point the finger, but I just want to explain what I think about what you said.


>>I really believe that a christian couple can go before God and know that they know that their family is complete and that it is ok to prevent future pregnancies<<


I just don't think that's true. Just like I don't think it's true that a Christian couple could go before God and know that God didn't expect them to tithe anymore, or that they could go before God and know that it was ok to cheat on their taxes. Certain things we don't really need to ask of God, regarding His will, because He has made it clear in the Bible. We know from the Bible that along with marriage comes procreation, and he expects that. When a couple can't have children, it shouldn't be because it was their decision. We know that He loves life, and we know that Satan hates life. I would say you would never need to go before God to find out when your family was complete; you would know when you stopped getting pregnant. And I believe that when unwed teenagers become pregnant, it is because God allows us to experience the consequences of our actions, whether those actions were of our own will or of His. So a teenager has premarital sex (not God's will) and gets pregnant. That is a natural consequence, and although that baby was born because of sin, the baby is still a blessing! :) Likewise, when you had your tubes tied (you would say that was His will, but I think that's unbiblical), God is now allowing the natural consequence... no more babies. I think God is absolutely capable of overcoming natural consequences... He could cause the teenage girl to not become pregnant, and He could cause your tubal to fail. But I think usually we do experience the natural consequences of our actions.


So basically, I think a married Christian would never need to ask God when to stop having babies, and I think an unwed teenager would never need to ask Him if it's the right time for her to go get pregnant.


I am sorry if this came off in the wrong way... I just wanted to explain my point of view a little further.


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Registered: 04-10-2003
Thu, 02-07-2008 - 3:24pm

<< We know from the Bible that along with marriage comes procreation, and he expects that. When a couple can't have children, it shouldn't be because it was their decision. >>

So you won't be using NFP either- being that it is using knowledge to circumvent God's will, correct?


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Registered: 07-13-2007
Thu, 02-07-2008 - 3:36pm

No, we don't

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Registered: 04-10-2003
Thu, 02-07-2008 - 3:59pm
That's cool- I hope you're never told that becoming pregnant is likely to kill you in the future. Then I guess you'd have to choose celibacy or probable death, according to your religion.

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