PLers- do you vaccinate for MMR -&others

iVillage Member
Registered: 03-19-2003
PLers- do you vaccinate for MMR -&others
25
Sun, 11-09-2003 - 6:46pm

Do you use the vaccines for MMR for yourself or your children, or do you plan to in the future? Did you know that aborted fetuses were used to obtain the cell lines? If you did not know this, will you NOT use these for yourself or your children in the future?


http://www.cogforlife.org/fetalmartyrs.htm


RA273:

Pages

iVillage Member
Registered: 03-26-2003
Sun, 11-09-2003 - 6:52pm
Wow - I guess you really do learn something everyday, huh?
iVillage Member
Registered: 06-09-2003
Sun, 11-09-2003 - 8:06pm
I did not know this, but I'm anti-vax anyway. I haven't been to the vax board yet, but I figured you'd be quite the expert. My 2 boys have been vaccinated because of family outrage at me for not wanting it. However, we're going to try for another baby soon and I don't want to have that baby vaxed. How do I get around it (schools, etc.)?

Danelle

Photobucket

iVillage Member
Registered: 06-27-2003
Sun, 11-09-2003 - 8:23pm
I'd have to dig into a cell line i would plan to use for a vaccination.

BTW, human diploid cells can mean anything. Every cell in your body minus sperm and eggs are diploid. Just some FYI. Now... if they meant the diploid cells are from a fetus, that is a different matter.

iVillage Member
Registered: 03-26-2003
Sun, 11-09-2003 - 8:33pm
Danelle - I don't think you can get around it with schools because having an un-vaxed kids puts other kids at risk.
iVillage Member
Registered: 10-05-2003
Sun, 11-09-2003 - 9:28pm
This did not have to be. Stem cells can be harvested from living, healthy adults. They can be harvested from the ambilical cord and placenta. They can be harvested in many ways - these medical advances could have been made without the small sacrifices through abortion.
Avatar for munchies
iVillage Member
Registered: 04-12-2003
Mon, 11-10-2003 - 7:37am

But was using any stem cell possible in the 1960s?


We cannot undo what was done in the past.

Kim mom to Brad, Matt, Emma, Sarah, and Meagan

iVillage Member
Registered: 10-05-2003
Mon, 11-10-2003 - 9:44am
I understand what you are saying. But we can find a new way to immunize - using other stem cells that have not been harvested from the unborn. It all make me think of livestock:

On chicken farms, spare chicken parts from processing mills are ground up and fed back to the chickens! Canableism? I think so.

On some cattle ranches, spare beef and bone are processed along with feed as to fatten the cattle up and to make use of the extra beef product.

You pet that you had put to sleep because they were old or ill - they are now lawn fertilizer depending on what county they were euthenized in.

And now, we, (human beings) want to reuse and reprocess our own unborn. It is very inhumain and twisted in my view.

A.

iVillage Member
Registered: 03-19-2003
Mon, 11-10-2003 - 10:09am

Hi Danelle~


All states provide for medical exemptions- although they must be signed by physicians. All but (I think) 3 states allow for religious exemptions. Some also allow for philosophical exemptions.


When writing a religious exemption, I have heard the key is its simplicity. You do not have to detail your religious views, nor should you give them the name of a religious afiliation, but rather state that vaccinating violates your deeply held religious convictions. Although they might try to argue on the basis that your 2 older children were partly vaxed, remember that you can always form beliefs at any stage in life. I gave you links below- as each state has different requirements. Also, before facing off with the schools- make sure to pop in at the Non-Vaccine Support board. The ladies there are veterans of the school-vax issue & can lend you enormous help~


Also~ you may even want to pop over & ask about the other procedures that are done at the hospitial- (Vitamin K injections, silver nitrate eye drops or antibiotic eye drops); and remember some states still give the HepB vax in the hospital before baby goes home. You really should make sure the hospital has a signed form in your file forbidding them permission to vax for HepB. You are supposed to sign , but I've heard stories of sloppy procedure where the forms were brought in after the fact.


Map of 2002 State Requirements
State Mandates on Immunization and Vaccine-Preventable Diseases
State Vax Laws


Non-Vaccine Support at ParentsPlace


Good luck~


iVillage Member
Registered: 03-19-2003
Mon, 11-10-2003 - 10:21am

The first link gave the details on at least 2 commonly used & state mandated vaccines:


<< http://www.cogforlife.org/fetalmartyrs.htm


RA273:

iVillage Member
Registered: 03-19-2003
Mon, 11-10-2003 - 10:31am

<<But we can find a new way to immunize - using other stem cells that have not been harvested from the unborn.>>


Well, they haven't & don't plan to, from what the anti-vaxers have told me from their correspondance w/pharmaceutical companies. Suffice to say, by the time your daughter is ready to attend school in Ohio (correct?) she will be required to have at elast one vaccine for MMR, and by then, perhaps Varivax (chicken pox) will be mandated as well.


http://www.immunize.org/laws/mmr02a.pdf


http://www.access1.net/via/STATES/req-oh.htm
Ohio Immunization Requirements
<

Pages