A poll

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A poll
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Mon, 10-29-2007 - 10:37am

I'm not sure how to use the poll feature so I'll post it as a regular thread.

For those that are opposed to abortion:

Do you think that a man should be able to block a woman from having an abortion if she is pregnant with his fetus/baby?

For those that are not opposed to abortion:

Do you think that most people that are opposed to abortion are in favor of allowing a man the ability to block the abortion?

Edited to change the word "everyone" to "most".




Edited 10/29/2007 12:06 pm ET by marie-p
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In reply to: marie_p
Mon, 10-29-2007 - 11:18am

"For those that are not opposed to abortion:

Do you think that everyone that is opposed to abortion is in favor of allowing a man the ability to block the abortion?"

Of course not. It is highly inaccurate to assume that all members of such a large and varied group have the same opinion on any issue, much less one as volatile as this. It's like saying that all Republicans support the war in Iraq. That's certainly not the case.

Then again, if they are in favor of making abortion illegal, and the vast majority of lawmakers are men, perhaps they are in favor of allowing "a man" the ability.

But technically that isn't what you said. You said "opposed to abortion." I am opposed to abortion, but I am also pro-choice. If we go according to the convention definition of these terms, then the vast majority of the population would fit into your category. I would really guess that there are only a few people out there who really like abortion and think everyone should have one. Then it would be even more ridiculous to assume that we all think the same way.

I guess what this means is that it really depends on how you define your terms. Specifically, "opposed to abortion" and "a man."




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In reply to: marie_p
Mon, 10-29-2007 - 11:51am

<Do you think that everyone that is opposed to abortion is in favor of allowing a man the ability to block the abortion?>>

Absolutes are rarely true.


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Registered: 04-29-2005
In reply to: marie_p
Mon, 10-29-2007 - 12:04pm

You're correct. I'll edit the post and change "everyone" to "most".

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In reply to: marie_p
Mon, 10-29-2007 - 12:22pm
"For those that are not opposed to abortion:

Do you think that most people that are opposed to abortion are in favor of allowing a man the ability to block the abortion?"


I don't know.

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In reply to: marie_p
Mon, 10-29-2007 - 12:26pm

I'll clarify.

In another thread, comments have been made that people that are opposed to abortion think that a man should be able to block a woman from getting an abortion. Here's a quote from one of the posts.

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It's been implied that some people think that anyone that is opposed to abortion and/or PL, believe that a man should be able to prohibit his wife/girlfriend from getting one.

I don't find this to be the case but maybe I'm wrong and most people that are opposed to abortion do think that a man should be able to stop his wife/girlfriend.

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Registered: 02-20-2006
In reply to: marie_p
Mon, 10-29-2007 - 12:42pm
Well, I guess it depends on the circumstances surrounding why the woman wishes to seek the abortion. Unfortunately for the man, the fetus resides within the woman, so really in the end, he has no say. He cannot fully assume the risks and responsibilities of a pregnancy, only parenthood, so IMHO he has no grounds to do anything until the child exits the mother's womb.
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Registered: 06-17-2007
In reply to: marie_p
Mon, 10-29-2007 - 1:25pm

Oh, I know what you meant. I'm just picking holes in the post because I found that there were many interesting different ways to interpret it.

For example, if you define "opposed to abortion" as "think it should be illegal," then you have a very different situation than if you define "opposed to abortion" as "don't like abortion." In the former, the question about whether a man should be able to block an abortion would be non-sequitur, because if it was illegal, there would be no need for a man to "block" it, as it were. For the latter, we get into some very interesting arguments, as you have seen and so clearly exemplified in the post you clipped.

Now, the definition of "a man" makes this thread even more exciting for me. If you go as you have clarified, then clearly the issue at stake is whether I think PL's believe that the father of the embryo/zygote/fetus has the right to prevent the mother from aborting. If you don't make that assumption, then the world opens up to what I truly believe, and actually underscores the worry that many pro-choice women have about other men, besides their sexual partners and potential co-creators. I am not worried about my husband trying to block me from having an abortion, and I find it extremely unlikely that the situation would ever come up.

What I do worry about is *a* man, an unspecified man, perhaps in Congress, having the right or ability to stop me from having an abortion. That is why I do not want the government, which is made up mostly of men, to have this power. I don't want any man who is not qualified to make decisions on my personal behalf to be allowed to make those decisions, under any circumstances. I also claim the right to question and/or ignore the decisions of the men who are deemed qualified.

I understand that this is not what you meant but you have to admit that it has opened up a whole other avenue of argument that is both interesting and worthy of investigation. ;)




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