pro choice but again partial birth?

iVillage Member
Registered: 01-25-2008
pro choice but again partial birth?
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Sun, 01-27-2008 - 2:18pm

Anyone else very pro choice but vehemently against partial birth?

iVillage Member
Registered: 06-03-2007
Sun, 01-27-2008 - 3:26pm

Let's start with a brief pause to point out that while I think I understand what you are trying to talk about, "partial birth" doesn't mean anything except in the fantasy of some legislators. Part of what makes that SCOTUS ruling so deeply scary is that it's so vague. And after the medical societies put their heads together to make their best guess at how that ruling would be interpreted in real life, they decided that it probably meant IDX, which does NOT restrict late term abortion, just one method of performing it. So that ruling does NOT decrease or outlaw abortion.

It's like telling a chef to stop using whisks in the kitchen. He's still gonna cook dessert, but without some of the standard equipment.

But onto your real question: is there a reason for abortion after 24 weeks gestation?
{ooh, detour - the outlawed IDX procedure had been used as early as 15 weeks}

I personally agree with you, abortion after 24 weeks feels wrong to me. But even though I feel that way I immediately start thinking of all the exceptions. There are many anomalies which are not diagnosable until after 20-24 weeks, and that's if the woman has excellent and timely healthcare access. And sad as it is, I have met women who did not realize they were pregnant until quite late. Should these women be deprived of their period of deliberation and decision-making? Shouldn't the window of choice be extended for every hurdle and hoop we put in the way of legal abortion?

I feel that the best way to reduce the number of later-term abortions is to:
1) reduce unintended pregnancy. That's the first step in anything related to abortion.
2) increase sex ed and healthcare access so that women realize they are pregnant earlier.
3) Decrease stigmatization of all pregnancy options and increase access to options counseling so that women can make their decisions quickly, without barriers.
4) increase access to abortion providers so that women who want them can get them within a week or two of deciding.
5) massively push for improved contraception after abortions. This is the final step after any abortion plan.

iVillage Member
Registered: 01-25-2008
Sun, 01-27-2008 - 3:41pm

"I personally agree with you, abortion after 24 weeks feels wrong to me. But even though I feel that way I immediately start thinking of all the exceptions. There are many anomalies which are not diagnosable until after 20-24 weeks, and that's if the woman has excellent and timely healthcare access. And sad as it is, I have met women who did not realize they were pregnant until quite late. Should these women be deprived of their period of deliberation and decision-making? Shouldn't the window of choice be extended for every hurdle and hoop we put in the way of legal abortion?"


I did say in my answer that cases of severe birth defects which can't be found early on then I understand the abortion.

iVillage Member
Registered: 06-03-2007
Sun, 01-27-2008 - 4:23pm

I think it's nobody's fault but the goons that didn't give that woman proper sex ed! LOL
Well, not really a laughing matter. But seriously, there is so much ridiculous misinformation out there it's tough to expect women to be very successful in the face of it.

If we could fix the sex ed problem and the healthcare access problem, I'd be right with you for sure.

As it is, I idealize the British abortion law situation. They have strong restrictions after 24 weeks.

iVillage Member
Registered: 06-17-2007
Sun, 01-27-2008 - 8:57pm

I think I can sum up my opinion quite succinctly:

Elective abortions after 24 weeks... Do I think they are wrong? Yes. Do I think they should be illegal? No.




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Registered: 03-18-2004
Mon, 01-28-2008 - 3:53pm

>> I'm sorry, but it is nobodys fault but their own if a woman doesn't know she is pregnant before 24 weeks.<<

I don't think it is as black and white as all that. With DS2 I did not get a BFP until I was almost 3 mos pregnant. I went through over 30 test. Of course I was TRYING to get PG so was testing like a mad woman anyways.

People like my cousin who had periods while pregnant it is even easier to miss it. She was almost 4 months before she realized and that was only because she went to a doc about an unrelated issue and had blood drawn. I am sure she would have figured it out soon but she was not showing and still having periods so why would she assume she was PG?

Now women who aviod testing out of fear (and tehy do exist) it is their own fault for not knowing but it is not always stupidity on teh part of teh woman that prevents her from having that knowledge









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