Pro-choice vs. Pro-life

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Pro-choice vs. Pro-life
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Mon, 02-04-2008 - 2:52pm

One of my best friends is completely prochoice...myself prolife.

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Registered: 08-31-2004
Wed, 02-06-2008 - 4:40pm

LMAO!

I LOVE the one about the vampire children. I'm going to tell SO that when he gets home :OD


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Registered: 06-03-2007
Wed, 02-06-2008 - 10:00pm

re: don't take birth control pills
(other may have already answered this, I am constantly falling behind these days...)

anybody who is sensitive to estrogens shouldn't take OCP = oral contraceptive pills. That would be people with a personal history of strokes, clotting disorders, heart disease, endometrial or breast cancer, or a strong family history of those, as the estrogens may multiply their risk. Also, people with liver disease as they won't metabolize the pill correctly. Also, women who smoke cigarettes should think carefully, as cigs also increase stroke and heart disease. If a woman smokes and is over 35 they will have a hard time persuading anyone to prescribe OCP for them.

Some individuals may get migraines, and sometimes the side effects which are unpleasant for some women can be incredibly bad, such as mood swings to the point of suicidality. These are *rare*.

And there are always other forms - this is what gets to me. Too many women think that if the pill or the condom don't work that's the end of the list of possibilities. There are soooo many forms of contraception, there's bound to be one that fits into any woman's sensitivity profile and lifestyle needs (such as ability to stick to daily dosing).

editing to add: hoo-boy, yes, other people were all over this. yay, us! and pretzel - I think that there are still a sizeable number of women who sloppily say they are allergic, when instead they mean that either there's a more subtle reason they shouldn't take OCP or else they didn't want to try a second formulation to see if the side effects were mitigated.




Edited 2/6/2008 10:12 pm ET by wobitnobby
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Registered: 06-03-2007
Wed, 02-06-2008 - 10:06pm

re: friend having emotional trouble after abortion leaning on PL vs PC friends.

I, too, was the PC person that my PL friend called up to lean on. On the anniversary of her abortion she was with me, holed up with a bottle of wine being maudlin. I have never asked why she didn't go to any of her PL friends. I just hugged her and listened to what she needed to say.
We have even engaged in rare prickly debates on the topic; she knows where I stand. But she knows that more importantly, we are friends and I'll be there for her.

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Registered: 03-26-2003
Wed, 02-06-2008 - 11:12pm

Maybe the truth is that we are just women...maybe the line is finer than we think?


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Thu, 02-07-2008 - 1:33am

That is cute, when I had my knee operated on they did it odscoply (sorry if I misspelled) and I have 3 small crosses on my knee, when I came out of surgery my sister who is a very vampire nut looked at my knee and said "well the vampires WILL have to leave you alone, you r marked for life with those crosses" So I'm safe to go into Transylvania and Dracula has to leave me alone!

~Sam (see I am a good United Methodist Christian girl!)

~~Sam stitches well with others, runs with scissors in her pocket. Cheerful and stupid.
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Registered: 06-03-2007
Thu, 02-07-2008 - 12:13pm

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Very wise, very true, and important to hold onto especially when we are confronting each other. :)

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Registered: 02-02-2008
Thu, 02-07-2008 - 12:30pm

I'm sorry to hear that you are disagreeing with a good friend. I, myself, and also ProLife.


I do not believe that you should be able to have abortions. Your thought if you're going to have sex, you should accept the possibility that you could get pregnant, and if you do, I believe that you should accept the consequences of your actions. I do not that that having a child is a consequence, becuase I love my two kids very much. Have children is a very special thing to experience.


I also, had a friend in high school that had sex with her boyfriend, and had an abortion. Although I did not agree with her about the abortion, I stood by her and supported her decisions. To this day, she regrets having the abortion. She sees my son, and new baby girl, and wishes she had kept her son or daughter. She wants to have children some day.


There are also many consequences with abortion. My sister-in-law (husband's side) had an abortion and is now infertile. She and her husband already have 3 children, so she's not so worried about it, but she wishes should would have kept that baby, too. Teenagers AND adults should do the research before having abortions. I wasn't taught about all of the consequences of abortion, and I learned it for myself when I was about 14. We had to give a persuassive essay, and I chose the controversial issue of Abortion.


Abortion is something that many people regret for the rest of their life. I think everyone needs to do the research. It could save a child's life.


I also do not understand why killing someone is murder, but abortion is not murder. I know that everyone says that the baby is not considered a 'baby' until its ** months old or however, but I think that the second that you concieve, it is a human being.


Abortion is a very controversial issue, though, and sometimes it's impossible to change someone's mind about abortion.


I hope you and your friend come to some kinda of agreenment. Make sure that you support her either way, because more than likely, she needs it.


Hope I helped a little : )


Amy

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Registered: 04-10-2003
Thu, 02-07-2008 - 12:56pm

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And I do not believe that you should legislate your beliefs and apply them to women across the board. To be blunt, when YOU are the one assuming all of the short and long term risks, burdens and sacrifices inherent and unique to gestation and childbirth in MY PLACE, then you get the vote. Until then, you need to take responsibility over your own reproductive organs and give mine no more thoughts.

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Absolutely- and one way to deal with those consequences is abortion. The beauty of it all is that YOU don't have to have one if you don't want, and other women get to choose those risks they wish to assume.

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Having children is a consequence of CONTINUING a pregnancy. I love my own children very much- never had an abortion, but I do not expect other women to do as I do- they have to autonomously direct their own health care.

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You are SEVEN times more likely to die during childbirth than abortion. THAT is why you don't get to choose for anyone other than yourself. You CANNOT impose those risks on a woman against her express will and consent.

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Because gestation and childbirth place risks upon a woman she can choose to terminate.

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So do you oppose all forms of hormonal birth control and IUDs as well?


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Registered: 06-17-2007
Thu, 02-07-2008 - 2:47pm

"I do not believe that you should be able to have abortions."

Really? None, under any circumstances?

"I also do not understand why killing someone is murder, but abortion is not murder."

Hmmm, interesting. Read on.

"I think that the second that you concieve, it is a human being."

So the women who abort an ectopic pregnancy are committing murder, are they? Shouldn't be allowed to abort that pregnancy, huh?

Where I come from, we call that pro-death, not pro-life. See, when you say that life begins at conception, and all abortion is murder, then logically, deliberately removing a pregnancy (for whatever reason) is murder. Boy, those women with ectopic pregnancies sure have some explaining to do!




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Registered: 12-27-2007
Fri, 02-08-2008 - 3:19pm

(I do not believe that you should be able to have abortions,)

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