Pro Life or Pro Choice??

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Registered: 07-17-2007
Pro Life or Pro Choice??
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Thu, 07-19-2007 - 1:39am

I am writing this today because there seems to be some hostility towards me from some of the other women on here. I am not here to offend anyone in any way. I am pro life and nothing will change that. This message is for anyone on this board who is not sure what side of the fence they're on or who is sure and just needs more information. If you do a search on yahoo, google etc. titled "former abortion providers" you will get a host of information from the doctors who have performed abortions theirselves and will openly admit that they were killing real live babies and why they stopped. You can't get any realer than that! I will also name some websites that can tell you typical abortion procedures and also show photos: this is not for the faint of heart. I know most people won't want to see the pictures but THIS IS OUR REALITY! If we choose to keep turning away from the truth, OUR babies will keep dying.

Abort73.com
100abortionpictures.com
Abortiontv.com
Lifedynamics.com

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Registered: 05-06-2007
Thu, 07-19-2007 - 6:11am

"If we choose to keep turning away from the truth, OUR babies will keep dying."

It's not "our baby". It's the z/e/f of the woman who is pregnant. She is the only one who is making the sacrifices to sustain the pregnancy and she is the only one who has a say in whether it continues or not. Period.

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Registered: 11-18-2005
Thu, 07-19-2007 - 6:33am

You are missing the point. I am prolife (except when a mothers life is in danger or rape/incest) but I am prochoice politically. No one is denying what abortion is. No one things they are aborting a frog! It is the fact that no one has the right to tell someone else what to do with their body.

We've seen the pictures before that is pointless. The point you need to get is about letting the governemnt tell me what I can or cannot do with my body.

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Registered: 04-03-2005
Thu, 07-19-2007 - 7:32am

"I am not here to offend anyone in any way."


Yet, specific words such as "naive", "ignorant", "cold-hearted", etc aren't in any way meant to


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Registered: 03-07-2007
Thu, 07-19-2007 - 9:34am

If you want to use reality in your PL stance, I strongly suggest you get to a library and do some research from medical sources. The sites you listed, quite frankly, lie. Don't believe me, or anyone else, research it yourself. Going to sites that simply tell you what you want to hear is NOT dealing with any sort of "reality" whatsoever.

Here's a thought: If an organization or group needs to lie and manipulate to make a point, it puts their entire stance in doubt. I can't imagine believing in something without being willing to have it challenged.

T

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Registered: 03-24-2003
Thu, 07-19-2007 - 9:57am
Yeah, I really hate organizations that don't let the facts stand in the way of a good scare tactic.
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Registered: 04-26-2005
Thu, 07-19-2007 - 11:39am

I'm "sort of" new here...I was here years ago...left when teh format changed...recently started snooping around...so I can't speak for this group. IMO, the reason you feel others are hostile is multi-layered...it's about so much more than just being "prolife". First...none of your posts come off as you having an opinion...it's more of you coming in both guns blazing about the truth...like you are the first person to have the truth and you are here to rescue all of the ignoramouses. Second, your arguments are old. I mean, I was doing the abortion debate thing 7-10 years ago...and the same arguments and proofs were being presented(silent scream anyone). And...they were debunked. We've had the prolifers come on with the silent scream...and put forth the facts that debunk it...and in another 6 months another prolifer brings it back up. So when people blow it off...it's not because they don't want to hear your "proof"...it's just that they've btdt. If you have points and opinions that are your own...and not the regurgitated stuff from the PL websites...share.

I personally am so over PL'ers thinking that I'm prochoice because I "haven't truly recognized the horror of abortion"....um, negative ghostrider. I know what goes on during an abortion. I'm not ignorant or uneducated...so I don't need to see, again, pics of fetuses or sketches of procedures. I'm well aware...and still prochoice. I'm even pro-D & x(partial birth abortions for those that don't like medical terminology used to describe medical procedures). I get it. But it doesn't change my position....and neither will hysterics, rhetoric, scare tactics or lies.

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Registered: 07-18-2007
Thu, 07-19-2007 - 12:18pm

It's pretty obvious by the responses in this thread that the prochoice side is in the majority here. However, so far I haven't seen any real factual debate, so I'll try a little and see what happens.

The human race is classified as belonging to the species Homo sapiens (sapiens). The vernacular term for any member of that species is "human being", or "human" (noun).

What that means for this debate is that the offspring of any human male-female pair will also be (a) human, and that the new offspring will begin it's existence at fertilization.

Any interruption in the gestation of that new offspring, whether it be natural or intentional, will result in the death of a "human being". By definition, it will be an "innocent" human being.

The rightness or wrongness of intentionally causing the death of an innocent human being is a value judgment, on a personal level. Whether there exists a universal standard on this question is a whole new question.

Sometimes, however, it is helpful to make moral comparisons to clarify such value judgements. For example, if we find it "right" to kill unborn humans, but "wrong" to kill born humans, that situation begs for a justification for the distinction, to avoid the appearance of hypocrisy.

So the appropriate question for those who feel it is morally right to kill unborn humans, but morally wrong to kill born humans, is "what's the difference"?

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Registered: 05-11-2006
Thu, 07-19-2007 - 12:29pm

Very well-written.

Lori
**Navy Wife to Eddie since Dec 2002**

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Registered: 03-07-2007
Thu, 07-19-2007 - 12:29pm

Born humans do not have the right to use the physical, emotional and psychological resources of other born humans against their will, even for survival, even if the actions of the other are what put them in that position in the first place.

I've have not come across too many individuals saying the z/e/f is not human. That does not mean the earliest developing cells have the same rights as the actual person within whom they are growing. A pregnancy takes 40 weeks, give or take, not a day. When the time arrives that we can grow a fertilized egg in an artifical womb, when it can be extracted at no risk to the woman, then some of these arguments will have merit beyond the philosophical.

T

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Registered: 03-07-2007
Thu, 07-19-2007 - 12:33pm

I think I was at 20 weeks or so when I had this moment of "who the HE** does anyone think they are to try to *compel* this??" I had a great pregnancy with a much loved child but, really, it IS huge and it does change one's life and one's body permanently. It *has* to be an individual's choice.

T

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