Pro-lifers, what is your position?

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Tue, 06-05-2007 - 4:13pm

on this case:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/4848164.stm

I remember it from awhile back, and I am curious about what pro-lifers would have the parents do. I am assuming, but correct me if I'm wrong, that PLers would believe that there are two separate human beings at stake here, and that it would be morally wrong to "kill" the second child (that is, the "head with a shrivelled body-stump.") even if it meant giving the first child (the fully developed child) a chance at a healthy life.

Another question re: undeveloped (also called parasitic) twins: only one conception happened. At what point does the second life begin?

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Tue, 06-05-2007 - 4:47pm

I'm PC, but it's too bad this little girl died. The parents were right to separate these "twins" if thats what you want to call them.

~Sam

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Tue, 06-05-2007 - 7:08pm
I'm currently PC, but spent a decent enough time PL ( especially on this board) that I feel I can answer from a PL objective. AS a PLer I *understood* that there are certain times abortion is necessary ( health/ life of the mother, etc) If I were PL to terminate the *life* of the parasitic twin in order to enhance/save the life of the normal twin would be acceptable.
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Wed, 06-06-2007 - 5:34pm
I watched the special on TV about this girl. I am PL and saw nothing wrong with removing the second head. The second head had no heart or brain...It was functioning off of the complete child's brain. I don't consider a head a separate life. I consider a full set of living organs a separate life.

Ella Grayce

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Wed, 06-06-2007 - 5:35pm

I don't consider myself a "die-hard PL'er"...more like a Pc'er that puts a high value on human life. But, here goes..

>>I remember it from awhile back, and I am curious about what pro-lifers would have the parents do.<<

I honestly don't think this particular case has anything to do with preservation of life. The parasitic twin, who at birth cannot sustain life on it's own, was draining the life from the fully formed twin. From the article, it sounds like the "second twin" was not really a person & comparable to a tumor (for lack of a better term). I don't condider the removal surgery to be terminating a life. So, I would be for the surgery to save the child.

>>Another question re: undeveloped (also called parasitic) twins: only one conception happened. At what point does the second life begin?<<

It would be the same as with any other identical twins. As soon as the cells seperate enough to make another embryo capable of becoming a self-sustaining life (at birth). So, in the above-mentioned case, I don't believe there ever was a second life. If the twins could have been seperated & function on their own (or reasonably function seperately, but conjoined) then I believe life for the second begins at cell seperation.

~Trio

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Wed, 06-06-2007 - 6:16pm

I am pc too, but I think that in this case with the twin with the parasitic head, the head couldn't be removed until after birth. I think that the head did not consititute its own life and removing it was not taking a life but improving the childs own life.
It is sad that she died.

In the case of parasitic twins, I think that in most cases that it is only one life.

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Thu, 06-07-2007 - 1:43pm
I am currently pregnant with craniopagus conjoined twins. In the beginning, we were told that we needed to seriously consider termination of the pregnancy. The ultrasound that diagnosed the defect was performed at about 10 weeks and they told us that they couldn't tell a whole lot about their condition except that they were conjoined at the head. My regular ob\gyn informed us of possible scenarios that we may have to face- parasitic twins, twin to twin transfusion, etc. in which we would have to decide which twin to try and save. As PLers, that was devastating news. However, we lost our first child a year ago when she was almost 12 months old. We decided that we would do whatever it took to insure that at least one of these girls lives. Fortunately, I am now 28 weeks pregnant and both girls are viable and healthy and share no brain tissue. They are truly a miracle. My heart goes out to anyone faced with this kind of decision. In the case of parasitic twins and the little research I did on it, normally the parasitic twin is actually killing the other twin. So if you don't save one, you will probably lose both. God knows your heart and intentions.


Edited 6/7/2007 1:45 pm ET by kgandy2001

Kelly

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Thu, 06-07-2007 - 3:00pm
Blessings for an easy rest of your pregnancy! I hope you have an easy birth (c-section, I presume) and that the doctors know exactly what they need to do!
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Thu, 06-07-2007 - 10:35pm
I am extremely pro-life but believe that it would be unfair to the healthy baby to leave the head of a, what would be otherwise dead, twin attached to the child. This parasitic twin had no means to function with using the healthy baby's energy. I don't see how this is an abortion debate.
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Mon, 06-11-2007 - 2:58pm

I am a pro-L and I saw this on Oprah. I also believe that in order to save the very much live, viable twin, that the parasite twin had to be removed. The life of the viable twin had to be perserved. However, I love what they did. They gave the non-viable twin a burial. I believe that was the right thing to do and it breaks my heart that the second twin did not live.

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