Professionals for Life

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Thu, 02-28-2008 - 12:10am

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Thu, 02-28-2008 - 12:30am

Instead of starting a new thread - here is a very intersting site:


http://www.secondlookproject.org/tslp_roereality.html


It seems to be backed up with reference for sources.


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Thu, 02-28-2008 - 12:47am

First link, right away, highlights the *disproven* breast cancer link to abortion.


Second link, not working.


Third link, religiously based.


Fourth link, click on the "who are we" link and you get pro-spanking, anti-gay family rhetoric.


When, exactly, do we get the professional, science and medically supported information?


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Thu, 02-28-2008 - 7:37am

First link - were we talking about breast cancer link?

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Thu, 02-28-2008 - 8:15am

First link...speaks towards a lack of credibility and unprofessionalism, since there is no link.


Of course one can be Christian and a good doctor.

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Thu, 02-28-2008 - 11:17am

Starting with the first link, there is no breast cancer-abortion link. The American Cancer Society, which has NO stake in abortions and therefore has NO bias for or against abortion agrees:


http://www.cancer.org/docroot/CRI/content/CRI_2_6x_Can_Having_an_Abortion_Cause_or_Contribute_to_Breast_Cancer.asp


The ONLY link is in postponing 1st childbirth, and then to be truthful one would have to say ALL birth control, including abstinence, increases a woman's risk of breast cancer.


The rest of the links are about doctors and nurses choosing not to support abortion. They don't have to. Just don't go into a field where you might be called upon to perform or provide support for abortions.

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Sandy
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Registered: 06-17-2007
Thu, 02-28-2008 - 1:10pm

Okay, I'll bite. Here you go:

#1 myth: “High Court Rules Abortions Legal the First 3 Months.”
FACT: Abortion is legal through all 9 months of pregnancy.

If we all really believed that Roe made abortion only legal in the first three months, then the PBA Act would have been quite superfluous, don't you think? Sorry, I don't think anyone in the present day was confused by it, unless the poll itself was misleading (see below).

#2 myth: Most abortions are done because of maternal or fetal health problems, or in cases of rape or incest.
FACT: Abortions are rarely done for these reasons.

And these reasons are automatically invalid because?

#3 myth: Most Americans favor U.S. abortion law.
FACT: Most Americans actually oppose it.

I never accept evidence based on a single poll. Polls (as you saw in the 2004 election) are notoriously inaccurate. This poll was misleading, which is yet another reason I don't trust their results. But since the poll didn't distinguish that these people only supported abortion rights for the first three months, I won't say that that is the result. You can't infer information from the opposite results of the poll (e.g. that 52% of Americans being in favor of abortion means 48% are against).

#4 Roe said the Constitution includes a right to abortion.
Yet even legal commentators who support legal abortion have said Roe is not good constitutional law.

Yes, it had a bad basis because it was based primarily on the right to privacy. That does not mean that the right to abortion is inherently a bad idea.

#5 Supreme Court justices have criticized Roe v. Wade.

And many of these people would have overturned a woman's right to abortion if they could. Others upheld it anyway, even if they didn't like it. What does that tell you?

#6 myth: The U.S. abortion rate is relatively low.
FACT: It is among the highest of all developed countries in the world.

Even among ones with more lenient abortion policies? I wonder if that says something.

#7 myth: Most American women support Roe v. Wade.
FACT: Most do not.

And most Americans did not support a woman's right to vote when suffrage was given. Besides my earlier argumentation about the inherent flaws of polls, this is not a mandate in favor of making it illegal.

"And when asked to rank 12 issues in order of importance for the women's movement, women ranked "Keeping abortion legal" next to last."

And because it comes behind "not being beaten to death by husbands or partners," it's not important? I list shelter after food and clothing as my main needs for survival, but that doesn't mean I'd like to live on the street.

#8 myth: Most abortions are done before fetal organs are functioning.
FACT: Actually, the vast majority are done after the fetal heart has begun beating.

First of all, many women are not even aware they are pregnant before the heart starts beating. Second of all, one heart beating does not a functional set of organs make. The brain doesn't even take over development of the fetus until around 12-13 weeks, by which time the vast majority of abortions have already occurred. It's nice that the heart beats early, but you need a tiny bit more than that to survive. My fetus only just now has lungs that can function (which you can argue is certainly a necessity for survival), and I'm already almost done.

#9 myth: U.S. abortion law has not encouraged the use of abortion as a method of birth control.
FACT: Nearly half of all abortions are performed on women who have already had at least one.

How does this prove your point? Does the fact that most people who get into traffic accidents get into more than one mean that the automobile insurance industry encourages them to do so? Does the fact that AOE leads to more teens having unprotected sex mean that AOE is telling teens to have unprotected sex? Again, inference that the reciprocal value is also true is a highly inaccurate way of determining facts.

#10 myth: Abortion is legal only when the fetus is in the womb.
FACT: Even a child who is partially-born can be legally aborted.

They note that this has changed with the PBA Act. Realizing that this represents such a small percentage of abortions (much less elective abortions), I don't really care. Again, aborting because your fetus has a catastrophic genetic abnormality is considered an elective procedure.

#11 myth: If Roe v. Wade is overturned, abortion will automatically be illegal in the U.S.
FACT: If Roe is overturned, abortion policy will be decided through the democratic process in each state.

And the women who really need them will be far less likely to be able to get them.

#12 myth: Roe v. Wade is only about a woman’s right to abortion, not about a right to take life in general.
FACT: Roe has often been cited by state and federal judges to endanger human beings already born.

Hard for me to comment on these, since I don't have the time to read each individual case. Since I've found stacks of bad argumentation in the rest of this page, I'll move on.

#13 myth: Abortion is standard medical practice; only religious hospitals and some physicians refuse to provide it.
FACT: Even abortion advocates acknowledge that abortion is outside mainstream medicine.

Could that be because many doctors are afraid of being murdered or assaulted for openly practicing them?

#14 myth: Roe v. Wade empowers women to choose freely whether abortion is their best option.
FACT: Legalized abortion has made it easy for others to pressure women into having abortions.

Even the site notes that it is not abortion providers that are trying to force women into it.

And some might say that blaming the woman for not being more interested in protection makes it a lot easier for men to feel like they have no responsibility for their reproductive actions. Should we punish the women for that, too? Making it illegal doesn't not make it go away; it just makes it unsafe.

#15 Cardinal William H. Keeler, in a January 6, 2005 letter to all U.S. Senators, noted the following points - each of which was documented throughout this series:

And this is an incredibly valid means of proof that abortion is inherently evil because? I don't know if I would have cited this in your case, Angil. It seems to say that Catholics are an important part of the PL movement.




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Registered: 03-26-2003
Thu, 02-28-2008 - 4:03pm

Yeah, my favorite radio station (just before the recent change in ownership & slight change in format) locally ran a few of those 2nd Look radio spots. I sent them a blazing email about the misinformation provided by that organization.


Funny, I never heard another one of those ads. Perhaps I wasn't the only one to complain?

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Sandy
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Thu, 02-28-2008 - 6:31pm

I didn't doubt that there would be those within any community, including the medical community, who would be against abortion.