A Question for the Pro-Choicers

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Registered: 08-05-2008
A Question for the Pro-Choicers
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Mon, 09-22-2008 - 12:35pm

After lurking on these debates for a while, I've come to the conclusion that there would be little I could say or do to change anyone's mind, however I AM interested to know some more information of Pro-Choicers reasons for their beliefs.

So, after reading a lot of the posts, I've noticed that there have been a lot of pro-choicers who bring up the issue of women's health, and the subsequent termination of the pregnancy (i.e., baby is potentially putting mamma's health at risk by her carrying it to full term).

My issue is not with this. I am a pro-lifer, and were I to conceive an ectopic pregnancy, I would sadly have to abort it because there is very little chance the baby would survive, and I most likely not survive as well. This view is supported by my religion, so these are not the circumstances I am talking about.

We all know that there a lot of abortions happening all the time. I'm not gonna pretend I know the numbers, but I'm gonna throw the idea out there that a lot of these abortions happen to viable pregnancies because of other concerns of the mother (assuming that the risks of carrying the fetus to term would be no more than an average pregnancy for an average woman).

So my question is this: If people are speaking of the woman in question, who decides to abort her average pregnancy for whatever reason (there are multitudes of reasons she might, I'm not even gonna try to throw in some examples) and saying that "it is her right, after all, her health could be endangered", what about all the risks of abortion itself?

Here is a link I found, that lists quite a few possible complications from abortion:
http://www.deveber.org/text/whealth.html
I'm sure there is more out there, I just thought that this could be a place to start.

The complications preceding from an aborted fetus COULD far outweigh the risks of carrying the child full term. In fact, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that a lot of the complications women have with their pregnancies could be avoided if they'd never had an abortion to begin with! (Incompetent cervix, pre-term birth, higher risks of ectopic pregnancies, to name just a few). This is of course an assumption on my part. Of course there will be always risks in pregnancy, but I almost wonder if women really are aware of all the risks when they do have one?

depression, possible suicide, infertility, cerebral palsy in your future children, cervical cancers, actual death... wow, these factors may be the woman's individual right to choose, but it is a strain on our health care system nonetheless. When your current and future children are at risk as well, abortion goes far beyond simply impacting the woman's health. It affects her partner, kids, and her country. So yes, she has a choice, but should it be so easy and socially acceptable given all the risks? People have been having babies in far greater numbers to abortions in the past societies leading up to this one, and it's gotten us to where we are today. Do we have an issue here or don't we?

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Registered: 04-10-2003
Tue, 09-23-2008 - 8:25am

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Yup. It's a biggie. I don't believe a fertilized egg EVER has rights that trump those of the woman.

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For YOU. See, you get to do what YOU like with your eggs and womb- and that has no bearing on my rights. But you don't get jurisdiction over the wombs and eggs of other women.

<< If she wants her body free of conceiving unwanted life forms, then she should take steps to prevent it from happening.>>

She should. But even if she doesn't, or does and the method fails, she does not give up her rights to autonomy over her body, health care and life.

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However, you don't need to preach that to others. Even though I've only ever had sexual relations with one man- and he's been my husband for 23 years- I don't think it's a good idea in general to be virginal until marriage. I'll respect my kids choices, but that one would really disappoint me.

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And that's fine. No one wants to restrict your choice to do so. However, plenty of women feel as I do and would refuse to gestate the fetal by-product of a violent rape upon their persons. In fact, I would refuse to permit my body to nurture the progeny of that scum= and carve out out myself if need be.

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Registered: 10-06-2010
Tue, 09-23-2008 - 8:57am

" If she wants her body free of conceiving unwanted life forms, then she should take steps to prevent it from happening. I practice what I preach, never had sex till married, only with my husband, etc.. "

I am doing that, I always have been. I have had sex with one man in my life, my husband. We use BC to prevent pregnancy and do not ever want children. If I could get my tubes tied I would but as of yet I cannot find anyone that will do it since I am only 25.

With that said, if I get pregnant yes I would abort. I am doing everything I can to prevent pregnancy but nothing besides never having sex with my husband is 100%

iVillage Member
Registered: 09-15-2008
Tue, 09-23-2008 - 9:47am
There are potential complications with carrying a pregnancy OR with abortion.

** Lori **

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Registered: 09-15-2008
Tue, 09-23-2008 - 9:54am

""I practice what I preach, never had sex till married, only with my husband, etc.. ""


I'm childfree by choice, and happily married.

** Lori **

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Registered: 10-14-2003
Tue, 09-23-2008 - 10:14am

Hi Silverbell,


Speaking of purely elective abortions, I am fully supportive of a woman's right to do so.

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Registered: 12-13-2004
Tue, 09-23-2008 - 10:24am

I really thought your question was very thought provoking and honest. Of course there are risks to abortion, especially towards future fertility, and no, they shouldn't be ignored.

However, several of us mentioned that pregnancy is more risky by quite a bit, so the idea that to avoid the risks of abortion which a woman may desire, she should opt to gestate. This is a flawed conclusion because her health is much more at risk bringing the fetus to term.

So while I thought the post was very genuine, your reply seems to be upset with the notion that this argument doesn't hold much water. There are plenty of reasons to be pro-life, risk isn't a particularly good one.

The issue with pro-choice wouldn't be to force you into an abortion, you can have a rapist's baby if you choose, you can carry any child to term that you want. You can have all the beliefs in the world that a fertilized egg is so much more important that a woman, fine. But telling others to have your same views is taking things too far, IMO.

And please don't assume that women who get abortions are all loose women that didn't use birth control. That may be a percentage, but it is a way to demonize the choice that is often enough, not true.

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Registered: 08-31-2004
Tue, 09-23-2008 - 10:26am


You have put your finger on the difference between PC and PL. I believe that my right to have full control over my own inner workings trumps the right of a z/e/f to mature into a baby. I may well choose to allow the z/e/f to so mature (as I'm currently doing, lol), but it must remain my own

baby siggy
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Registered: 08-31-2004
Tue, 09-23-2008 - 10:37am


Actually, various herbs and moulds

baby siggy
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Registered: 08-31-2004
Tue, 09-23-2008 - 10:41am


ITA on this. The Silver Ring Thing gives me the serious creeps.


baby siggy
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Registered: 10-14-2003
Tue, 09-23-2008 - 10:47am

I also don't understand the general PL consensus that the looser a woman is, the less rights she has to herself.

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