A Question for the Pro-Choicers

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A Question for the Pro-Choicers
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Mon, 09-22-2008 - 12:35pm

After lurking on these debates for a while, I've come to the conclusion that there would be little I could say or do to change anyone's mind, however I AM interested to know some more information of Pro-Choicers reasons for their beliefs.

So, after reading a lot of the posts, I've noticed that there have been a lot of pro-choicers who bring up the issue of women's health, and the subsequent termination of the pregnancy (i.e., baby is potentially putting mamma's health at risk by her carrying it to full term).

My issue is not with this. I am a pro-lifer, and were I to conceive an ectopic pregnancy, I would sadly have to abort it because there is very little chance the baby would survive, and I most likely not survive as well. This view is supported by my religion, so these are not the circumstances I am talking about.

We all know that there a lot of abortions happening all the time. I'm not gonna pretend I know the numbers, but I'm gonna throw the idea out there that a lot of these abortions happen to viable pregnancies because of other concerns of the mother (assuming that the risks of carrying the fetus to term would be no more than an average pregnancy for an average woman).

So my question is this: If people are speaking of the woman in question, who decides to abort her average pregnancy for whatever reason (there are multitudes of reasons she might, I'm not even gonna try to throw in some examples) and saying that "it is her right, after all, her health could be endangered", what about all the risks of abortion itself?

Here is a link I found, that lists quite a few possible complications from abortion:
http://www.deveber.org/text/whealth.html
I'm sure there is more out there, I just thought that this could be a place to start.

The complications preceding from an aborted fetus COULD far outweigh the risks of carrying the child full term. In fact, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that a lot of the complications women have with their pregnancies could be avoided if they'd never had an abortion to begin with! (Incompetent cervix, pre-term birth, higher risks of ectopic pregnancies, to name just a few). This is of course an assumption on my part. Of course there will be always risks in pregnancy, but I almost wonder if women really are aware of all the risks when they do have one?

depression, possible suicide, infertility, cerebral palsy in your future children, cervical cancers, actual death... wow, these factors may be the woman's individual right to choose, but it is a strain on our health care system nonetheless. When your current and future children are at risk as well, abortion goes far beyond simply impacting the woman's health. It affects her partner, kids, and her country. So yes, she has a choice, but should it be so easy and socially acceptable given all the risks? People have been having babies in far greater numbers to abortions in the past societies leading up to this one, and it's gotten us to where we are today. Do we have an issue here or don't we?

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Thu, 09-25-2008 - 12:05am

""it's when the dh's drink too much beer and fall asleep again.""


Hehehehe...in spite of being a sailor, my DH doesn't drink much...and he specifically NEVER drinks himself too stupid to...um...not fall asleep again. XD


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Thu, 09-25-2008 - 7:18am
LOL I caught that AGAIN in there.

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Thu, 09-25-2008 - 9:11am

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*snicker* Ah I remember those days far too well....Of course I was Pregnant the one and only time He deployed (I met Ex at the tale-end of his 4 year contract, he decided not to re-up)....ah......once a military wife, always a military wife.

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Registered: 09-15-2008
Thu, 09-25-2008 - 1:12pm

""LOL I caught that AGAIN in there.""


LOL I was quoting Sam.

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Thu, 09-25-2008 - 1:15pm

""*snicker* Ah I remember those days far too well....Of course I was Pregnant the one and only time He deployed (I met Ex at the tale-end of his 4 year contract, he decided not to re-up)....ah......once a military wife, always a military wife.""


He was deployed unexpectedly for 8 months less than a month after we got married.

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Thu, 09-25-2008 - 4:37pm
lmao I so totally know what you mean! Hahaha our oldest was 4 months old by the time he came back...Pish....I can single parent, I'm a Marine wife ;)
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Fri, 09-26-2008 - 10:54am

I think you bring up some really interesting points. However, I don't agree that it's an issue. A woman is capable of assessing the risks of birth versus abortion and choosing which set of risks she's willing to undertake. For some women (those who aren't aborting for health reasons but for personal reasons), the risk of being responsible for another human being for 18 years is far more unsettling than the risk of possible complications from abortion. After all, we see the products of poor parenting all around us. It's not very often we hear about abortion complications. That doesn't mean they don't exist, of course, but for the average gal, abortion seems safe, easy enough and well practiced to the point that she is comfortable with it.

You'd said something about other reasons we support the pro choice stance. I for one support it because I don't understand what could possibly make another human being believe they have rights to my body. The risk a woman takes by carrying a child she does not want is not insignificant. She is setting herself up for a malady of stress related problems and possibly a high level of depression as well.

Furthermore, our country is not set up in a way that a low class woman feels very safe bringing a child into the world. Just because new life is "miraculous" or whatever keyword you want to throw out for the week - doesn't mean the world has the means to support every precious fetus currently gestating. It's very impractical to force a woman to carry a child she doesn't want and then to expect her to raise that child without the means she needs. Do we really want another generation of people fighting over government housing and selling food stamps to buy cigarettes?

Or another generation of young adults failing to pursue education or careers because they are tied down to children and can't find a way out? It's very self righteous to tell people "where there is a will, there is a way". I'm a mother, I'm taking a full course load, my SO is as well. We both work. Life is HARD. We are doing this but only because we are fortunate to have a very interesting and forgiving set of circumstances that makes it possible. It IS NOT possible for every couple, or single parent, to pull it off.

I feel that if a woman chooses the risk of abortion over the risk of childbirth, it's not our business in the slightest. We are not the ones who will have to walk around with the consequences of either decision so what do we care?

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Fri, 09-26-2008 - 2:52pm

Hi, I don't really know where I belong re- abortion.

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Fri, 09-26-2008 - 4:22pm

I'm very happy that you got the child you wanted eventually. I'm 33wks pregnant myself and I can imagine the grief and pain you must have experienced at the loss of your son.

I'm not sure of the situation in the US, but here in the UK that is not legal. Elective abortions are only available up to viability.

But wouldn't it also be true to say that until you've been in a situation where the idea of being pregnant in your current circumstances terrified you and made you near-suicidal, you have no idea how badly a woman can need an abortion?

I'm glad to see that you are pro-choice, because you are prepared to allow women the right to make up their own minds.

That's an assumption we see a lot on this board. Pro-choice just means that you support a woman's right to CHOOSE. I have never had an abortion, nor would I except in very desperate circumstances. But I recognise that I cannot make that decision for other women, because I don't own their bodies.

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Fri, 09-26-2008 - 4:48pm

I'm sorry for your loss- I truly cannot imagine!

But on to the debate now:

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I've always been pro choice since I knew what abortion meant. I've miscarried twice and had one child die at 6 years old in my arms. However, I grow more and more firmly pro choice as times goes on. In fact, each pregnancy more firmly cemented my stance.

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What happens to the women form week 17 until week 42 if her health or life is at risk? Some problems are not apparent or detectable until later points in the pregnancy.

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Well I had an amnio during my last pregnancy and I WOULD have aborted for genetic anomalies. I already had a child with disabilities and I'd never knowingly accept that role again. Been there, done that- and before someone utters "adoption" I will tell you this: I NEVER consent to continuing a pregnancy for which I did not plan to raise the child. I 'd not accept the risks, nor the 5th c section.

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Oh I DO know that- I held a child I raised for 6 years as he died. But I will NEVER support restrictions on another woman's right to autonomously and privately CHOOSE the set of unique short and long term risks inherent in either continued gestation/childbirth OR abortion

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I have deliberately and willingly conceived 6 times. Never had an abortion. After 4 c sections, I had a tubal ligation. But if tat should fail, I WILL avail myself the choice of abortion.

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