Religion 2

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Religion 2
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Wed, 06-11-2003 - 1:06pm
Why do people constantly target CHRISTIANITY when they want to talk about Prejudices.......?

What about Islam and Judaism which also condemn sex outside of marriage?

And Wiccanism is NOT older than Chritianity......unless you mean Xtianity as it is present in Europe.

For Wiccanism to be older than Xtianity it owuld have to be older than Jesus.

But you were right about Pagan religions being old....one suhc religion is Hinduism (which is arguably pagan) but it TOO condemns promiscousness and sex outside of Marriage. and there are TONS of Hindus in AMERICA.

So with the next debate let's EXPAND our knowledge bases and debate from a WORLD religions view.....not just a XTIANITY vs THE REST OF THE WORLD.

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In reply to: omoomi
Wed, 06-11-2003 - 1:12pm
Wiccanism IS a Pagan religion. Yes, Paganism IS older than Jesus. Many of christianity's icons and even holidays were derived from Pagan rituals.

I am Pagan, this time *I* am the one who knows what I am talking about and I would recommend that you research your inforamtion prior to posting.

June

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Registered: 03-21-2003
In reply to: omoomi
Wed, 06-11-2003 - 1:18pm
I agree. Wiccan is one form of ancient European religion. It does pre-date Christ. I am not sure it pre-dates Christianity if you take it as a whole from ancient accounts of the Jews, but it's probably pretty close.

And really, this is a debate about abortion. While personal faith contributes to our opinions, this board is not for the debate of religion.

Kim 

Mom to Brad, Ma

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In reply to: omoomi
Wed, 06-11-2003 - 1:49pm
PAGANISM is older than Jesus.......but WICCANISM is not.

Watch your definitions.

Take for example........Twelver Shiism......It is a form of Islam...but it is NOT as old as ISLAM.

ISLAM is a monotheist religion but it is NOT older then JUDAISM which is ALSO a monotheist religion.

Wiccanism is a PAGAN religion but it not as old as YORUBA TRADITIONAL RELIGION or HINDUISM.

However, all three are pagan religions

OY VEY

and MONOTHEISM is older than PAGANISM by JUDAIC accounts.

Yes a lot of Pagan religions are old but not all PAGAN religions are the same age.

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Registered: 06-11-2003
In reply to: omoomi
Wed, 06-11-2003 - 2:26pm
first try posting under the origianl debate.

second, what does this ahve to do with abortion?

third:I did not say ALL, but most commonly referred to religions as being Pagan allow sex outsdie of marriage.

Christianity is a target on this debate board because it is the religion commonly referred to in PL arguements.

druidic religions, which are of course pagan, are much much OLDER than chrisitianity. Christianity actually uses druidic(now adays confused with wicca often)holidays for their religious purposes. Jesus wasnt born in December, by the way. it is celebrated then because when the church of that time was wanting to convert pagans over they used the midwinter celebration.

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Registered: 06-11-2003
In reply to: omoomi
Wed, 06-11-2003 - 2:33pm
I would suggest you study history and religious history before you post any more on the subject. Monotheism is not OLDER than pantheistic(multi God beleif system)religions. HELLO? american indians mean anything to you? The jews used to beleive in more than one God. . The twelve tribes each had their own God. The God of Abraham became the beleived in God because the other tribes died out.
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Registered: 03-26-2003
In reply to: omoomi
Wed, 06-11-2003 - 3:20pm
Well that kind of depends on which religion you believe in. If you're fundamental Christian, you have to believe monotheism came first because you believe the first worshippers in the world were Adam and Eve, who would have been monotheistic.

But I'm quibbling, just for fun. ;-)

Hey are you going to get back to me about why suicide ought to be illegal or what?

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Registered: 06-11-2003
In reply to: omoomi
Wed, 06-11-2003 - 3:28pm
oops, sorry. I got off track for a bit. the board is really hot today and keeping up is making me lose track.

hmmmmI am trying to find a way to explain this...but it is a tough arguement. the problem with suicide is that many people who are not suffering from a fatal and excrutiating cancer or disease who wish to sommit suicide ARE suffering from a excrutiating mental or emotional disease that is treatable with time,couseling, patience, medication, etc etc Suicide takes away all choices and doesn't allow a treatable illness to be helped. That is why I think suicide is illegal. and should stay that way. I do feel that assited suicide for those who are counseled about it and deemed to be in a mortal situation anyways such as excrutiating disease or cancer should be allowed to make that decision. But someone who is otherwise physically healthy needs help. Do you follow me on this one? That is why it is not a medical decision that should be allowed for most persons. An abortion deals with a private medical decision involving a woman and ehr Dr. It ends a pregnancy, yes a potential life....but it is not the same as suicide which is dealing with a born person who is aware and able to make their own decisions.i hope I am explaining myslef ok on this.

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Registered: 03-26-2003
In reply to: omoomi
Wed, 06-11-2003 - 4:46pm
Hmmm, so would you say a suicidal person *by definition* is suffering from a mental illness? If not, how can it be illegal for everyone, given the premise that a sane person should be able to do whatever they want to with their own body?

If so, aren't you making the assumption that no one can ever think differently from you as to whether life is worth continuing to live? I would find this a puzzling position for you to take, given that you have maintained that someone who suffers in life might have been better off being aborted. If they were better off being aborted, aren't they also better off ending their life, and therefore ending their suffering?

Besides I think it's uncomfortably Big Brother-ish to say that to hold a certain opinion (actual psychotic delusions aside) by definition makes a person mentally ill.

I would further think the implication is: if you may only do something to your body if you are *not* mentally ill, then wouldn't that apply to abortion also? Must a woman pass a mental competency test before she gets an abortion? What if counseling could cure her of whatever the issue was that made her want an abortion in the first place - would she then in theory be obligated to go on with the pregnancy?

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Registered: 06-04-2003
In reply to: omoomi
Wed, 06-11-2003 - 5:00pm
I have indeed studied history and Theology.

American INdians are believed to have moved from Asia to america. If you beleive that man originated in Africa....then you should know about his movement patterns. Monotheistic religions have been present in Africa as well as Paganistic religions.

The Druids you are referring to are European. Europeans are also reputed to have moved from the Africa/middle east region. So BEFORE druidism developed there were other religions that the soon to be Europeans had with them...n'est pas?

The Jews have believed in other Gods yes......BUT before the twelve tribes of Isreal came into Bieng they worshipped their creator JEHOVAH. They often 'turned away' from him but would also often "come back" . The twelve tribes did not spring up out of nothing. They were founded by the descendants of Abraham.

After their creation many of them 'strayed away' to other Gods but like i said earlier they came back

Even when they believed in Other Gods they never made it a part of JUDAISM

No one is Denying that xtianity borrowed from the DRUIDS but that is Xtianity as it was in EUROPE . I am hoping you are wise enough to know that Xtianity did not originate in Europe. In favt, it reached Ethiopia WAY before it got to Europe.

I know what i am talking about

I have STUDIED IN DEPTH on the subjects i talk about. I would suggest that you do also

Anyhoo, in the end it all depends on whose accounts you want to believe

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Registered: 06-11-2003
In reply to: omoomi
Wed, 06-11-2003 - 5:58pm
i will agree with you there, that it depends on what source you follow and beleive in.

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