Right obtained for all

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Registered: 02-04-2008
Right obtained for all
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Mon, 02-25-2008 - 8:08am

Some you may know, but others may be unaware that the first charges of made against abusive parents were made under the guise of 'animal cruelty'.

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iVillage Member
Registered: 02-04-2008
Tue, 02-26-2008 - 4:53pm

Only elective per a misjudgement by a court and the misinterpretation/distortion and abuse taken on that judgement.


Can be changed, thankfully.


iVillage Member
Registered: 04-10-2003
Tue, 02-26-2008 - 5:35pm

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Oh Angil, there exists many, many means to abort, and abortion has existed since waaaaay before the courts. Childbirth will ALWAYS be elective,make no bones about it.

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And you have the gall to lecture us about where to spend our money, time, effort and resources. @@ Thanks, but I'll keep sending it all to PP and NOW, thankyouverymuch.


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iVillage Member
Registered: 02-04-2008
Tue, 02-26-2008 - 7:21pm
oh merkle - it was ruled allowable under the guise of privacy by a court that could not imagine it would be used as birth control (right between her woman and her doctor to privacy) in 1973.

iVillage Member
Registered: 06-17-2007
Tue, 02-26-2008 - 7:40pm

"Pregnancy was never 'elective' other than the choice to get pregnant."

I disagree, since abortifacients have existed pretty much since people learned how pregnancy occurred and abortion itself was only illegal in this and many other developed countries for a little over 100 years. We've already had this discussion before.

Actually, for most of that time, the choice to get pregnant was not a choice at all. I believe it took until the 1990's for most states to add laws saying that it was illegal to rape your own wife.




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iVillage Member
Registered: 04-10-2003
Tue, 02-26-2008 - 8:29pm

Actually, abortion has always been an option- and childbirth: optional

From: http://www.cbctrust.com/abortion.html

Abortion Has Always Been With Us
In 1955, the anthropologist George Devereux demonstrated that abortion has been practised in almost all human communities from the earliest times.1 The patterns of abortion use, in hundreds of societies around the world since before recorded history, have been strikingly similar. Women faced with unwanted pregnancies have turned to abortion, regardless of religious or legal sanction and often at considerable risk.2 Used to deal with upheavals in personal, family, and community life, abortion has been called “a fundamental aspect of human behaviour”.3

In primitive tribal societies, abortions were induced by using poisonous herbs, sharp sticks, or by sheer pressure on the abdomen until vaginal bleeding occurred. Abortion techniques are described in the oldest known medical texts.2 The ancient Chinese and Egyptians had their methods and recipes to cause abortion, and Greek and Roman civilizations considered abortion an integral part of maintaining a stable population. Ancient instruments, such as the ones found at Pompeii and Herculaneum, were much like modern surgical instruments. The Greeks and Romans also had various poisons administered in various ways, including through tampons.

Socrates,4 Plato and Aristotle2 were all known to suggest abortion. Even Hippocrates, who spoke against abortion because he feared injury to the woman, recommended it on occasion by prescribing violent exercises.2 Roman morality placed no social stigma on abortion.

Early Christians condemned abortion, but did not view the termination of a pregnancy to be an abortion before "ensoulment", the definition of when life began in the womb. Up to 400 AD., as the relatively few Christians were widely scattered geographically, the actual practice of abortion among Christians probably varied considerably and was influenced by regional customs and practices.5


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iVillage Member
Registered: 02-04-2008
Tue, 02-26-2008 - 8:42pm

Theft is an elective action, starving our kids is an elective action, murder of a husband's mistress is elective (and ohhhh, it's a hard one not to act on FPE), but that doesn't make them an 'option', if that makes sense.


The elective option regarding pregnancy is to abort.

iVillage Member
Registered: 03-26-2003
Tue, 02-26-2008 - 9:04pm

>oh merkle - it was ruled allowable under the guise of privacy by a court that could not imagine it would be used as birth control (right between her woman and her doctor to privacy) in 1973.

Sandy
iVillage Member
Registered: 01-13-2006
Tue, 02-26-2008 - 9:07pm

"Here's the other thing about abuse...it doesn't change and become

"It is right to be contented with what we have, but never with what we are."

iVillage Member
Registered: 02-04-2008
Tue, 02-26-2008 - 9:38pm

And as a child who too remembers virtually the same experiences, let me share a few other's with you.


A young girl, 16, got drunk and had sex with her older sister's husband.

iVillage Member
Registered: 01-13-2006
Tue, 02-26-2008 - 10:37pm

*Sigh* Yes abuse takes all forms and all types.

"It is right to be contented with what we have, but never with what we are."

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