The Roe in Roe V. Wade asks for case to

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Tue, 06-17-2003 - 11:46pm
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Wed, 06-18-2003 - 11:20am
Well, it's a cute sound byte but is essentially meaningless. She's one woman. Her opinion does not and should not make policy for every other woman. I don't know why so many PL's think it's so significant.

The women who do NOT regret their abortions are busy leading their PRIVATE lives.

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Wed, 06-18-2003 - 12:21pm
The Roe in Roe V Wade had an adoption, as far as I know, she never had the abortion she fought so hard for. She has also joined a church and is strongly christian, and even married one of the PL activists. That is where her regret comes from.

While the PC gives numbers, reasons why laws telling you how to live your life are unnecesary, why taking the choice away will burden the system with more unwanted babies, more women ending up in hospitals because of "coat hangers", how it takes away women's right right to equality (since men cant get pregnant), embryos cant think nor feel pain; the PL only give moral reasons and that god condems abortion and try to force those views even on women that dont believe in god or their particular god.

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Wed, 06-18-2003 - 12:30pm
>>While the PC gives numbers, reasons why laws telling you how to live your life are unnecesary, why taking the choice away will burden the system with more unwanted babies, more women ending up in hospitals because of "coat hangers", how it takes away women's right right to equality (since men cant get pregnant), embryos cant think nor feel pain; the PL only give moral reasons and that god condems abortion and try to force those views even on women that dont believe in god or their particular god.<<




I am not religiously PL. I will never spout scripture in my reasoning. You will never hear me say "Because God says so" as an arguemnet against abortion. Please do not try to fit all PL advocates into your neat little package. We don't all fit. --->Dawn

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Wed, 06-18-2003 - 12:42pm
Obviously you didn't understand the significance of this break in the anti-life movement. Roe vs. Wade is what started it all, read this article and you will see why groups like NARAL and Planned Parenthood are scared to death. Millions of women have had abortions and become victims themselves, I know a few myself I spoke with a woman in her 30's who after so many years could not give over what she had felt, women do feel some guilt after these abortions, if not they wouldn't have such anger and be so upset and call there abortions getting rid of a little bastard, or wretch, you don't name a tumor why do we name unborn children? The woman did a speach for her county and went before judges on her speach about her abortion and Post Partum Abortion and how even years later she struggles with depression, we were all very supportive of her because she is one of the many who have experienced this termination of a pregnancy and regret what could've been everyday. Even song writer are letting America and the world know what abortion does, something ends when you have an abortion, not just the child's inside of you but something else and you can't quite put your mind on it. My sister had one, and has pre-cervical cancer she can't have kids sometimes she tell me she thinks she pregnant and she'll be having a lesion that's bleeding deep inside of her, it breaks my heart to know she named her aborted child and set-up a memorial for her unborn child. My mother also had an abortion after a rape in the late 70's and has been suicidal since I've known her, she never ever even warmed to her own children it wasn't till I was 15 yrs. old and told her that I would only except abortion in rape, or incest cases that she told me and that's what changed me. One person made a difference to start this horrible 30 yrs. and its not just including 1 person, its the testimonies of over 1000 women, including Norma McCorvey, and thousands of scientific facts that go along with an abortion procedure. This is a big thing and this is also America our judicial system already has past a Partial-Birth Abortion ban 3 times, will it go through? Not if the Supreme Court Justice picks that Bush appointed go through, some of them have expressed pro-life views, that's why they haven't been elected. If you are pro-life your wrong, if you're christian you must be pro-life and if you're both you're ridiculed for not letting woman end a pregnancy. Is it really just a pregnancy that's ending? Or did something else end as well? Its your choice you decide.

Read below for the article on Roe vs. Wade reopened

Roe Abortion Case Reopened

Winner Asks Court to Set Aside 1973 Ruling

(Elliot Inst.) Norma McCorvey, the former "Roe" of Roe v. Wade, the

U.S. Supreme Court case that legalized abortion, is filing an historic

motion today to re-open her case and request that it be overturned. The

filing is based on changes in law and factual conditions since the high

court handed down its decision 30 years ago.

As a party to the original litigation, Norma McCorvey has the right to

petition the court to re-open the original case based on changes in

factual conditions and/or changes in law that make the prior decision "no

longer just," said Allan E. Parker, Jr., lead attorney for the

Texas-based Justice Foundation.

The motion will be filed and a news conference held at 10 a.m. Tuesday

at the Ferris Plaza Park on the corner of Houston and Record Streets ­

just blocks away from the Earl Cabell Federal Building, where the

motion will be filed. The motion asks for a reversal of the judgment that

was first entered exactly 33 years ago today by the Dallas Federal Court.

McCorvey is asking that the judgment in the original Roe case be set

aside.

"I long for the day that justice will be done and the burden from all

of these deaths will be removed from my shoulders," McCorvey said. "I

want to do everything in my power to help women and their children. The

issue is justice for women, justice for the unborn, and justice for

what is right."

The U.S. Supreme Court has overturned its own precedents using Rule

60(b)(5) of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure (Rule 60), most recently

in the 1997 decision of Agostini v. Felton. In that case, the high

court used a post-judgment motion by a party to overturn two of its own

12-year-old precedents.

Parker said the legal question in the case is, "Is it just to continue

giving Roe v. Wade future application?"

Using Rule 60, there are three major arguments to re-open and overturn

the case on the basis of changed facts and law:

1. Norma McCorvey, and more than 1,000 women who have actually had

abortions, have signed affidavits that attest to the devastating

emotional, physical, and psychological trauma of abortion. These affidavits are

the largest body of sworn evidence in the world on the negative effects

of abortion on women. It is more than a thousand times more evidence

from women than the Court heard in Roe. In addition, the Court will be

presented with the scientific evidence that has accumulated over the

last thirty years showing that abortion showing that abortion is

associated with more physical and psychological complications for women than

were known about in 1973. In the last eighteen months alone, seven new

studies showing abortion is assiociated with elevated rates of suicide,

death from other causes, substance abuse, clinical depression, and

psychiatric hospitalization have been published in major medical journals.

(see http://www.afterabortion.org/news) By contrast, even with thir

ty

years of experience aborting millions of women, abortion advocates have

produced no scientific studies measuring any significant benefits

abortion has produced in women's lives. All the claimed benefits of abortion

are supported by merely anecdotal evidence.

2. The unanswered question in Roe’s former case, "when does human life

begin?" was treated by the Court as a philosophical question when the

case was first heard in 1973. Since then, an explosion of scientific

evidence on human life conclusively answers the question that life begins

at conception.

3. The state of Texas in 1999 enacted a law in which it agreed to

provide for any woman’s unwanted child from the child’s birth to 18 years

of age with no questions asked. Legally, because the state has agreed to

take responsibility for all unwanted children, women should no longer

be forced to dispose of "unwanted" children by ending a human life.

Forty states have similar Baby Moses laws.

"The result of granting the motion would be to set aside and annul Roe

v. Wade and Doe v. Bolton, its companion case. This would return the

issue of protecting women and children to the people with Baby Moses

laws serving as a safety net", Mr. Parker said.

Norma McCorvey will be joined at the press conference by her lead

attorney, Mr. Parker, by co-counsel Harold Cassidy of New Jersey, and by

post-abortive women, who will provide testimony about how abortion has

harmed them. These women, many of whom are witnesses in the Rule 60

Motion, want others to know how abortion has negatively impacted women’s

lives, including their physical and emotional health.

The San Antonio, Texas-based Justice Foundation will represent Norma

McCorvey in the case. To view the press kit, legal documents, scientific

research and some of the more than 1,000 affidavits, please visit

http://www.operationoutcry.org

The Justice Foundation is a San Antonio-based 501(c)3 organization,

which provides free legal representation in landmark cases to protect

individual rights and to limit government to its appropriate role. What can

Christians do to help? TJF is still collecting affidavits from women

who have had abortions. Information about how you can support us through

prayer, affidavits, and tax-deductible contributions can be found at

the website, http://www.operationoutrcy.org

Source: Elliot Institute

Publish Date: June 17, 2003

Online at: http://www.afterabortion.org/news

http://ifrl.org/IFRLDailyNews/030617/1

__________________________________

There is hope and healing after abortion, if you or someone you love is

suffering from the pain known as post-abortion syndrome, help is

available. Caring counselors, of which many of them are women who've had

abortions themselves, are available to help you. If you would like to talk

to someone who cares, to someone who can help you begin the healing

process right now, call toll-free; 1-800-848-LOVE or 1-800-593-2273 or

1-888-217-8679.

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Thu, 06-19-2003 - 12:24am
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Hi, I'm Ruth and I am pro-life as well. I agree that the Roe V. Wade case should be looked into and Norma has a right under the law to have it reviewed. There are other articles in which she expresses that she was a pawn in the hand of the pro-choice movement. It seems she was good enough for them movement over 30 years ago when she could be used to further her agenda, but now that she stands to hurt their cause she is looked upon as an enemey. I noticed you cut and pasted an article onto your post----it would be better for you to simply give a url for any article that you want others to read because it is against copyright law to transfer an article. The CM's warned us of this about two or three years ago and in fact at that time we were told that some ivillage posters had encountered trouble legally for copying the actual article in their post. Thank you for your perspective and insights.

cl-Ruth

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Thu, 06-19-2003 - 11:03am
""I long for the day that justice will be done and the burden from all these deaths will be removed from my shoulders," she said in a separate statement"

There it is. She is not thinking on the other women's welfare, only on her guilt. Mind you the thousands of women that have abortions and are not regretting them and living their lives without telling everybody else how they should live their lives.

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Fri, 06-20-2003 - 2:55am
You are exactly right! Here is an article the I read about Norma getting used by her lawyers:

The real 'Jane Roe' Famed abortion lawsuit plaintiff says uncaring attorneys 'used' her


Sunday, February 4, 2001

By Julie Foster© 2001 WorldNetDaily.com

The name "Jane Roe" has become synonymous with "abortion." It is revered by those who call themselves "pro-choice" and strikes a chord ofsorrow in "pro-life" camps. And though Roe v. Wade has been cited anddebated countless times in the nearly 30 years since its decision by theSupreme Court, Jane Roe, the famous plaintiff, has been all but forgotten. A Christian since her conversion in 1995, Roe's real name is NormaMcCorvey, and her life is dedicated to her ministry called "Roe No More." In an exclusive interview with WorldNetDaily last week, McCorvey sharedher life story and explained how she was "used" by pro-abortion attorneys intheir quest to legalize the procedure.

At the age of 21, McCorvey was pregnant with her third child. She had givenher other two children up for adoption and McCorvey did not want to saygoodbye to her offspring a third time. She decided to have an illegalabortion, but the Dallas clinic she went to had been recently raided andshut down. So McCorvey made up a story -- she had been raped, she toldher doctor and two lawyers. She signed an affidavit on condition ofanonymity, and the lawsuit began. "After finding myself pregnant," McCorvey told WorldNetDaily, "I consideredabortion and, because of this, I was put in touch with two attorneys, SarahWeddington and Linda Coffee. They had just recently graduated from lawschool and were interested in challenging the Texas abortion statute." Describing how she was viewed by the pro-abortion community, McCorveysaid, "Plain and simple, I was used. I was a nobody to them. They only needed a pregnant woman to use for their case, and that is it. They cared,not about me, but only about legalizing abortion. Even after the case, I was never respected -- probably because I was not an ivy-league educated,liberal feminist like they were."

In a 1994 New York Times interview, McCorvey describes her meeting with the young attorneys, with whom she had a rocky relationship. "Sarah (Weddington) sat right across the table from me at Columbo's pizza parlor, and I didn't know that she had had an abortion herself," she said. "When I told her then how desperately I needed one, she could have told me where to go for it. But she wouldn't because she needed me to bepregnant for her case. I set Sarah Weddington up on a pedestal like a rosepetal. But when it came to my turn, well, Sarah saw these cuts on my wrists, my swollen eyes from crying, the miserable person sitting acrossfrom her, and she knew she had a patsy. She knew I wouldn't go outside ofthe realm of her and Linda. I was too scared. It was one of the most hideous times of my life." The relationship with Weddington was not unique as McCorvey began meeting other pro-abortion activists. "My experience with pro-abortion leaders is that they are snobs. They claim that they care about women and their rights but, in my experience, theycare for nothing, not even themselves in a way," she told WorldNetDaily.

McCorvey, the name Norma took as a result of her short-lived, teen-agemarriage, grew up poor and felt unloved by her mother. She has a ninth-grade education, was a drug and alcohol abuser, and has taken jobs as a carnival worker and house cleaner. As the Roe v. Wade trial progressed up the judicial ladder, the plaintiff never saw the inside of a courtroom as "Roe." She says she was told she didn't need to be there. It was only after theSupreme Court made its decision in 1973 that she began to follow theramifications of the case. By that time, McCorvey's third child was 2 years old. McCorvey never had, nor has she ever had, an abortion.

For many years, McCorvey preferred to remain the anonymous "Roe," but in 1980, she broke her silence and gave an interview to a Dallas televisionreporter. Through subsequent interviews, she revealed that she had lied about the rape -- an important point in the fact pattern of the Roe v. Wadecase. She became a pro-abortion speaker and was hailed as a hero due to her suffering for the cause. McCorvey said in a 1990 New York Times interview that the rape lie caused her to be "terribly depressed." "I was brought up not to lie and, because of this story, I had to lie all the time. And the depression periods got deeper and longer until the night I cut my wrists," she told the Times. McCorvey made several suicide attempts and eventually received psychiatric help.

A few days after the 1990 interview, she was given an honorary degree from the New College Law School of San Francisco "in recognition of yourcourageous refusal to allow Texas politicians, religious fundamentalists or Supreme Court justices to deprive women of their autonomy and humandignity." It was also in prior interviews that McCorvey revealed her homosexual lifestyle. Though she had been pregnant three times, she had relationships with women as well, including one partner she lived with for nearly two decades. The Times article was written by Joseph N. Bell, who conducted an interview with "Roe" shortly after her case was decided. Bell praised McCorvey for her openness in declaring her homosexual lifestyle and continued pro-abortion activities. His article concludes, "It's been a long journey to this place for Norma McCorvey, and we almost pushed her overthe edge half a dozen times. But she survived and grew and finally emerged into the sunlight of honest self-awareness. She's one of the lucky ones --and I'm very glad I could be in on both the beginning and end of this journey."

But Bell wasn't even close to the "end" of McCorvey's amazing journey --her stance on homosexuality has changed. "It is my belief that homosexuals should be accepted with compassion,"she said last week. "At the same time, I firmly believe that they should not have any special rights, including the adoption of children." Her feelings about abortion and "religious fundamentalists" would be changed as well in 1995, when she encountered Pastor Phillip "Flip" Benham, who brought Operation Rescue to the abortion clinic at which McCorvey was then working. O.R. had moved into a neighboring office space and protested for several months outside the clinic. In her written testimony, McCorvey tells of a particular conversation she had with Benhamin the middle of an Operation Rescue demonstration. "During one friendly banter, I goaded Flip, 'What you need is to go to a good Beach Boys concert.' Flip answered, 'Miss Norma, I haven't been to a Beach Boys concert since 1976.' The seemingly innocuous response shook me to the core. All at once, Flip became human to me," she writes."Before, I had thought of Flip as a man who did nothing but yell at abortion clinics and read his Bible. In fact, I even pictured him sleeping with hishands across his chest, Dracula-like, with a big Bible tucked under his arms. The thought that he was a real person -- a guy who had once even gone to a Beach Boys concert -- never occurred to me. Now that it had, I saw him in a new light."

McCorvey summarized her conversion experience to WND: "Simply put, it was the love and persistence of two small children: Emily and ChelseaMackey." Her written testimony elaborates on the experience. "As my mind was challenged to consider the truth of the Gospel, God began working on my heart through a 7-year-old girl named Emily, the daughter of O.R. volunteer Ronda Mackey," she wrote. "Emily's blatant affection, frequent hugs, and direct pursuit disarmed me. The little girl's interest was all the more surprising considering Emily made it very clear that her acceptance of me wasn't an acceptance of my lifestyle." The girl's "childlike faith cut open my heart," McCorvey explained, "making me receptive to the truth being shared by the adult volunteers at Rescue. I wasn't won over by compelling apologetics. I had a ninth-grade education and a very soft heart. While the O.R. adults targeted my mind, Emily went straight for the heart. And over time, Emily began to personify the issue of abortion -- especially when Ronda broke down and told me that Emily had almost been aborted."

McCorvey eventually accepted one of Emily's invitations to church, and the activist's life would never be the same. Now a member of the Catholic Church, McCorvey devotes her time to "Roe No More." According to its mission statement, the Dallas-based ministry "strives to network pro-life speakers throughout the nation in order to provide a base of educational and informational speakers and presenters for organizations who wish to promote the sanctity of human life and the message of love and forgiveness."

Since her conversion to both an anti-abortion position and Christianity, McCorvey is no longer sympathetically portrayed in the establishment media. In fact, she's no longer portrayed at all. There were a handful of stories in 1995 when McCorvey announced her change of heart but, since then, if she is mentioned at all, it is only to put a name on the once anonymous "Roe." McCorvey used strong words to characterize her treatment by the media. "I would say the media's criticism is more harsh now that I am 'on the otherside.' My experience with 'big' secular media outlets is that they don't report, they share their opinion. They are obviously pro-abortion and in many ways aren't dedicated to the truth," she said.

McCorvey did appear Thursday on Fox News Channel's "Hannity and Colmes," where host Sean Hannity gave McCorvey a forum to tell her story. During the Fox interview, McCorvey repeated what she told WND and hadwritten in her testimony -- that she had been "used." Asked if she felt abortion defenders championed her rights and best interests in Roe v. Wade, she responded, "I firmly believe that the only' champions' of this whole situation are the women who have been lucky enough to not be aborted since Roe v. Wade was handed down. The national pro-abortion organizations or, as I call them -- National 'want to be women' -- keep demanding more and more. Take, for instance, partial-birth abortion. They simply can't get enough of 'killing their young.' My only response to them is, 'Father forgive them, for they know not what they do.'"

That humble attitude is reflected in her voice and demeanor. "Miss Norma," as she is called, was most gracious to this reporter, who found her caring and conviction both profound and inescapable. Asked what she would say to "Roe" of 1973 if she had the opportunity, McCorvey put herself in the position of talking to "Roe" before signing the affidavit that began the historic case. "Excuse me, Miss Norma, but you should read that paper and really consider not signing it. Millions of women to come after you will suffer; they will be depressed; they may even try to take their own life because, you see Norma, abortion is the taking of a child's life -- a life that is from God," she replied.

In addition to her efforts to discourage abortion, McCorvey most recently expressed her support for Attorney General John Ashcroft. During his confirmation hearings, McCorvey endorsed a petition designed to put grass-roots pressure on the Senate to approve President George W. Bush's choice for the post. "John is a nice and caring man and, in my experience, one of the bestpublic servants we have in this nation," she said the day of Ashcroft's confirmation. "I met him in Tennessee in 1997 and testified in front of the Senate Judiciary Committee in 1998. I am glad to hear today of his confirmation as attorney general of the United States. The fact of the matter is that he cares -- he cares not only for the unborn but also about the dignity of public service. I would like to ask his critics when a religion or one's Christian ethical beliefs became a test for public service."

While she publicly supported Ashcroft, McCorvey's main focus is convincing people that abortion is wrong. In an e-mail to WorldNetDaily, she said, "I am glad that today many people, and those that proclaim belief in Christ and the Christian church, are waking up and noticing the right to life of the unborn and Roe MUST GO!!"

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Fri, 06-20-2003 - 11:11am
Worldnet is NOT a reliable source of objective information. But it WILL tell PLs exactly what they want to hear, whether or not it's factual.
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Fri, 06-20-2003 - 11:14am
Beyond the fact that every time I hear about "Miss Norma's" new look on life it's big *so what?*, it turns out that what they are trying to do has very little chance of succeeding.

The precedent they are claiming is an apples to oranges comparison. Plus, the "oops, I changed my mind" legal argument is pretty ineffective.

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Fri, 06-20-2003 - 4:11pm
The request was appropriatly tossed out.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/06/20/roe.v.wade.ap/index.html