RTA to babydoll - you said

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RTA to babydoll - you said
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Wed, 03-26-2003 - 1:05pm
that abortion should only be legal in cases where the mother's life is threatened, but *in your child's case* if she wanted an abortion, you would help her get one so it's safe because that's what's better for your child.

Then, in your last msg, you stated that you thought all pro-lifers ought to feel the same. If all pro-lifers felt that abortion should be legal for people that we love, then guess what? We'd have to believe it ought to be legal for everyone, which is called being pro-choice.

All I can say is, if you don't understand why it's being hypocritical to apply one rule to every woman except the one that you love, then . . . I almost don't know what to say, I really think you don't understand what the word "hypocrite" means.

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Wed, 03-26-2003 - 10:26pm
no you obvisously werent here for the whole thing so dont post to me again
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Thu, 03-27-2003 - 5:55am
She did'nt have to be here for the whole thing to get the gist of what you are saying. You my friend are PC because if you want abortion to be a legal option for your own daughter, you must want it to be legal for everyone else's daughters...right? You have yet to answer the question directly and have been dancing around the issue. Can you answer this simple question, Do you want abortion to remain legal? FTR, she can post to anyone she wants... you are'nt her boss, so nah nah nah nah nah nah;) Lisa.
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Thu, 03-27-2003 - 6:24am
Hang on there. The whole discusssion is in print and anyone can go back and read through it. You still haven't explained yourself in a clear and concise manner. Either you are saying that abortion should remain legal or you aren't. With each post your position gets muddier. I'm not sure if it's because you aren't quite sure where you stand or you are not doing a good job expressing yourself with your writing. However, anyone can read through the debate and pose questions.

Kim 

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Thu, 03-27-2003 - 9:14am
FTR I was participating in the board the whole time this topic was being discussed, I read all your msgs on the topic, and I don't believe I missed anything. If I misquoted you somehow or misinterpreted something you said, please let me know what the error was. If you just don't feel like debating with me any more, then of course you don't have to pay any attention to my questions or thoughts, but I'm sure you understand that leaves me to draw my own conclusions. -- Kao
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Thu, 03-27-2003 - 10:29am
My position is the opposite of babydoll's. I am pro-choice and think that anyone should be able to get an abortion if that's what they want, but not my daughter. If my daughter were pregnant, and if she had an abortion, I would feel devastated.
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Thu, 03-27-2003 - 11:37am
That was entirely uncalled for! Anyone can read the archives, its all there in black and white. And, this is a PUBLIC message board.

MM

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Thu, 03-27-2003 - 11:41am
I can certainly understand why as a mom, you wouldnt want your daughter to be in the *position* of having to choose an abortion. But why, as a PC woman, would you want to *deny* her the choice that you'd want all other women to have? When I was a teen, I knew I could go to my mom with anything. Thankfully (I'm sure from both our perspectives!) I never was in the position to need to talk to her about abortion. But, if I had been, and she had acted "devestated" and restrictive, rather than strong and supportive, *I* would have been devestated. And her job, as my mom, imo, would have been to be supportive and strong, at least as far as I knew. If she was devestated underneath, fine. But I would have felt awful if she caved in on me in my time of need.

Just my two cents of course.


MM 16 weeks pregnant with twins due 9.10

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Thu, 03-27-2003 - 11:55am
I actually don't find that position so hard to understand. A lot of people feel they *personally* would not have an abortion but don't feel they can deny that right legally to others (while I disagree, I don't find that an unreasonable position to have). Likewise, many people would not allow their children to participate in a certain activity (say, for example, body piercing) that they don't feel should be against the law for other people to choose to do.

Of course, I'm arguing that it doesn't work the same way in reverse. You can't make a law against an activity and then say oh but I choose for my child to be the only one to circumvent that law.

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Thu, 03-27-2003 - 10:26pm
im tired of u telling me im pc when im not! i never said it should be legal ONLY for my child. if i said that then i would be PC. what i said is id help my child find a legal abortion in necessary measures not just because the want one. they would have to prove dealth risks or something in that circumstance. i believe all parents want the best for their children and not want them to have the unsafe abortion. think gracieh before you talk. look back ive said this all before. i never said i was anyones boss either.get thing straight! and grow up with the nah nah nah crap. abortion should be illegal except certain cases r u happy now.

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Thu, 03-27-2003 - 11:37pm
Who are you, Babydoll, to advise Gracieh to think before she talks? Is this another case of one rule for you, another for others?

From what I have read, Gracieh appears to be a thoughtful, articulate person (unlike some), and if you cant debate calmly, without getting overly emotional, then perhaps you shouldn't do it at all.

This isn't the place for a juvenile slinging-match.

~Jo

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