So what would we do with all these babes

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So what would we do with all these babes
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Tue, 06-17-2003 - 12:47pm
First off, I have always considered myself PL. My aunt and uncle after trying to get pregnant for almost 9 years adopted 3 children, 2 from a teenage mother, one from Russia. They waited for year on a list to adopt. I have always thought if that teenage mother "took the easy way out" I wouldn't have my cousins. And I have always said, like most Pler's, if you don't want the child, don't abort, just give it up for adoption.

But, as I have grown, I have started to wonder what really is the right thing.

I've spent the last couple days researching. The numbers I have found are anywhere from 800,000 to 1.4 million abortions are preformed in the US every year. (Soooo many sites varied on their numbers, but most did stay between 1.1 and 1.4 million, I only saw 800,00 on one site.) So let's take a mid number of 1.1 million. I have read anywhere from 80-90% of those are for non-medical reasons. So let's stick with the lower 80%. So that's approximately 880,000 abortions preformed every year for unwanted pregnancies.

880,000? What if every single one of those women went full term instead of having an abortion and they all used the adoption route? What in the world would the US do with 880,000 extra babies each and every year? Yes, a lot would be adopted especially in the first years of going through the long adoption lists, but what then? After 10 years we would have an extra 8.8 million people in the US than we wouldn't have had if the women wouldn't have carried full term. And how many of those would actually get adopted? If even 90% got adopted (which after a few years would be an pretty high number) that's still roughly 88,000 unwanted children every year! What in the world would we do with all those children? Make then sit in foster care? Orphanages? (Do they even have those in the US anymore? Actually just curious on that one! LOL!!) Yes, they would be alive, but look at this economically........where would the money come from to support these children? How would the US deal with an extra 800,000 people in the US a year?

As far as if I am still PL, I guess I am. I would never abort a child, I would never tell someone to abort a child. I do believe that every unborn child should be given a chance at life. but in a perfect world, no one would have sex unless they were trying to have a baby. Or the male reproductive glands would have a switch to turn off those little swimmers when they weren't trying to conceive. I want to see abortions stopped, but I just can't fathom the impact that would have on the US population and economy.

I'm sure I don't have to ask this, but any comments?

~Amie

PS, BTW, thought I would intro myself.....I saw in a thread you have all had a problem with an influx of newbies who flame the board and run. I'm Amie, 25 married to Mike who's 27, we have 2 children, ages 4 1/2 and 2 1/2. We are in Ohio. I have been on Parent soup for roughly 4 years, was a cl for 2 1/2 years, one place I cl'd was a debate board, so I do kinda know the newbie problem debate boards can have.

Amie, wife to Ryan, mom to Tyler (10/98), Morgan (11/00), Alex (2/10), and baby #4 due 8/14

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Registered: 03-26-2003
Tue, 06-17-2003 - 2:09pm
Very interesting to see the numbers like that. Welcome to the board.

In response to your post, I would say that I can't buy a pragmatic argument in favor of abortion. Is population control a good thing? Well yes. Does it justify anything and everything? No, absolutely not. My question is not so much, does abortion accomplish any benefit, but rather, is there any benefit that could justify what abortion is? So far I haven't found one.

Again, welcome to the board, I look forward to talking with you. Please don't let your "newness" hold you back. :-) -- Kao

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Registered: 03-21-2003
Tue, 06-17-2003 - 2:24pm
I've read conflicting opinions on population control and the ability to support humans. There are some who say that we really do not have any trouble providing foods, just issues with delivery.

As far as the 1.1mil abortions a year. Well...prior to 1972 there were only appx 10,000 abortions performed that year. Even with the lower abortion rates, there were not as many births. I was born in 1972 and I have the wonderful future of there not being enough workers in the US for the social security system and Medicare to be something for me to take into consideration for my retirement.

I really don't think you can speculate on what the numbers would be until they are. Now I'm not saying this is the case for everyone, but for some women there is the thought that if BC fails I can always get an abortion. Now theoretically, if people were actually practicing safe sex AIDS rates would be declining (sadly they are not) and abortion rates would also be falling. So there is something to be said that people use abortion as their safety net instead of making sure they are safe in the first place.

Kim 

Mom to Brad, Ma

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Registered: 03-28-2003
Tue, 06-17-2003 - 3:47pm
"I really don't think you can speculate on what the numbers would be until they are. Now I'm not saying this is the case for everyone, but for some women there is the thought that if BC fails I can always get an abortion. Now theoretically, if people were actually practicing safe sex AIDS rates would be declining (sadly they are not) and abortion rates would also be falling. So there is something to be said that people use abortion as their safety net instead of making sure they are safe in the first place. "

Depends where you are talking.... In USA, where condoms can be bought over the counter anywhere, even in grocery stores, AIDS rates are decreasing. In Africa and some caribbean islands it is increasing because is not easy to find condoms and education is really lacking. Also, you dont need to use condoms if you are married and both of you have been tested, so the AIDS issue doesnt correlate.

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Registered: 03-26-2003
Tue, 06-17-2003 - 4:48pm
Hi and welcome to the board...yes it is an interesting thought. I have no idea what the percentages would be, but you also have to consider that not ALL of those aborted children would have even made it to term...some would have ended in miscarriage/stillbirth....also, if any of those children had been born any subsequent children born to those mothers may not have been....I know for me, it's *because* of my present children that I had my tubes tied!...LOL! I wanted to make sure I didn't go on to have more children....so there are alot of considerations when looking at population control.

Interesting.