Superbowl ad, now that we've seen it...

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Superbowl ad, now that we've seen it...
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Mon, 02-08-2010 - 9:38am

...what are your thoughts on it?


I was actually pleasantly surprised that they really didn't force any sort of viewpoints on the viewers.

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Fri, 02-12-2010 - 10:45pm
Margaret Sanger is my #1 personal hero, so thank you for discussing her. :O)
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Fri, 02-12-2010 - 10:48pm

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Cathy is hardly the only one who has ever considered this. Scholars of American history will commonly call that period in the struggle for women's suffrage(between 1848-1920) the "first wave" of feminism. And historians are not typically considered to be hugely progressive or "faddish." They're generally a pretty traditional sort. When Cathy refers to these women as "first wave feminists," she's citing their distinctions, not something she just made up to annoy you.

Actually, within the realm of American political science and history, you'd be the "odd man out," as it were, for not considering such women as Anthony, Stanton, Paul to be first-wave feminists.




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Fri, 02-12-2010 - 10:50pm
Yeah, but I'm now waiting for someone to come out from under a rock with "Sanger was a eugenicist just like Hitler!" Gone around and around the block with that one on this board, more than once.




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Fri, 02-12-2010 - 11:21pm
I like to think outside the box and be different, i dont mind being the odd man out.
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Fri, 02-12-2010 - 11:39pm

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Tell me do they consider what they did a feminist movement? DId they once refer to what they as a feminist move?

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Ok.

<<< Susan B Anthony was out in Seneca Falls, New York, campaigning tirelessly for the right of women to vote. She was most definitely a feminist.>>>

Yes by modern definition I bet not hers and I still haven't gotten answer to my question is a person a movement?

<< Just because it took a further 72 years to make it into law doesn't mean that there weren't FEMINISTS working tirelessly to convince the men involved that it was only fair to give women the vote. Alice Paul was one of the ones at the end, who went from state to state seeking votes to ensure an amendment would pass. She was most definitely a feminist.>>

I also happen to know there were women who refused to move to the dakota territories and others like it without the right to vote so it was an incentive more than a social right. Was that due to the feminist movement? or was it due to women who had an agenda albeit a good one to run their own lives?

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Oh no see you make the very erroneous assumption that these women needed the feminist movement to stand up for what they wanted. You also assume that they needed feminists in general to do anything,I happen to believe that without one voice saying something no movement no matter how big or small,first or second wave would have been possible. I don't like groups and i hate labels so if I choose to think of these women differently i believe the constitution, first amendment more specifically gives me that RIGHT.

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I don't see any clearly about it.

<< Feminists, although they were not acting under the organizations you recognize and denigrate today, certainly had a major effect on the laws you see for your benefit today. You vote because of them. You go to school because of them. You can take birth control and get information about preventing pregnancy because of them. Yes, because of feminists.>>>

I take exception to the idea that i live and breathe by the grace of the feminists and their movement it simply isn't so. I don't believe that i am educated or that i give birth or not due to any movement I owe them nothing.If i live it is by the sheer grace of god not by some self important feminist or any self serving movement.

My human rights are NOT due to feminists,my quality of life as a female has been improved by their help but they are not my creator and i will never bow ,scrape to or worship them.

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Fri, 02-12-2010 - 11:48pm

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Sat, 02-13-2010 - 12:17am

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My answer would be no. But since we're not talking about just one woman, I could certainly say that the early suffragists certainly made up a group. After all, there were several incidences of the Seneca Falls Convention, made up of many, many women who attended.

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Well, the word itself dates from 1851, the time of the Seneca Falls conferences. But since you seem to be convinced they were not, do you have evidence to support the idea that they did not support women's rights? After all, that is the conventional definition of a feminist.

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Anyone who knows about the campaign for women's suffrage in America knows that it was a highly organized campaign. It certainly was not just a bunch of random women asking separately for the right to vote. Certainly there were women who would have just advocated for it individually, but it was through the work of *organizations* like the American Woman Suffrage Association that women got the right to vote, not just as the result of a collection of random, isolated incidents.

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Where did I ever say that? How can women need a specific movement to do things for them when they make up that movement? You conflate NOW with feminism. NOW is an organization; feminism is a school of thought as in philosophy. One is abstract theory, the other is practical applications of that theory. Your statements asking me to prove that Susan B Anthony knew what would happen as a result of the political actions she started decades after she died is teleological and an unreasonable request.

What I did say, however, was that it was due in large part to the actions of feminists (whether as part of large-scale organizations or grass-roots approaches) that you enjoy many of the rights you do today.

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Do you consider yourself an American? If so, how do you avoid that label?

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Who are "the feminists," this random bogeyman you've set up? NOW? They don't represent everyone, certainly not me in all cases. But that doesn't mean I'm not a feminist. And again, I never said that you "live and breathe" because of what they did for you- your mother did that, for the most part. You are able to get a job because of what they did for you. You are able to keep your paycheck because of what they did for you. You are able to vote because of what they did for you. And you can continue to think that all these things just happened by absolute, random chance, but the facts are not behind you and I've given you many examples of that now.

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I have to say I haven't found a post here that suggests you should. I certainly don't. I must say, this conclusion is rather overdramatized.




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Sat, 02-13-2010 - 12:59am

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For the purposes of regional identity yes i am an american,do I buy into a lot of yankee doodle flag wavin BS? no.

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Almost every post here has suggested that especially english rose's and if you think it's a bit overdramatized that is ok with me I certainly cant stop you, just as I think Terry O'Neill's position on the super bowl ad was overdramatized.

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Sat, 02-13-2010 - 1:58am

Ok, show me proof that another movement was responsible for highlighting DV and making it illegal.

< I also credit women like my mother who worked in DV shelters>

Your mother did a very good thing. However, if it weren't for feminists, there wouldn't have BEEN a DV shelter for her to work at.

I'm starting to wonder if there is any point talking to you, when you wildly misstate my points and change yours at whim.

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Sat, 02-13-2010 - 2:04am

Firstly, OF COURSE men were involved with the feminist movement. They always have been.

Secondly, I think I'm done. When you deny feminism's role in getting the vote (suffragettes anyone), you really are too far away for reason to reach you. Oh, and Board v Brown dealt with the right of black children to an education. It had nothing to do with female education.

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