Forgive me if it's been posted before, but are there any on here that anyone disagrees with?
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I know you know the following-In a perfect world, all pregnancies would be planned. But unfortunately, some pregnancies aren't planned. While it is traumatizing for the woman and must be utterly frightening, is it the unborn child's/zygote's/embryo's'/fetus' fault? Who is looking out for the rights of that human's body? I cannot imagine the fear/uncertainty/confusion/depression that comes with an unwanted pregnancy. My heart goes out to anyone in that situation.
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Hi, again, mootoad -
Thanks for sharing your thoughts in response to mine.
Hi, oh_kate (or is just Kate okay?) -
Thanks for the welcome.
Are you more of a Green Wing fan?
Yes. There are things we can do to help that, but there will always be some unplanned pregnancies. What we can do, is ensure that every born child is wanted. IMO it is much worse for a child to be born where it isn't wanted than to be aborted. Worse for the child, I mean.
< While it is traumatizing for the woman and must be utterly frightening, is it the unborn child's/zygote's/embryo's'/fetus' fault? >
Yes and no. The z/e/f didn't ask to be put there, but it IS there, in a parasitic relationship with a woman who may be so desperate to NOT be pregnant that she would carve the z/e/f out herself if she could.
The sad fact of biology is that two entities cannot have equal rights and control over the same body. The one who
I don't mean to denigrate your POV, but you are a man. You have never experienced pregnancy and labour. On what basis can you tell women what they ought to do or not do with their own internal organs?
Because I feel the fundamental right of the person who is born trump the potential, unviable life. It's not ending the life of a person,in the legal sense. My/your/the next door neighbors morals are no reason to remove someone's choice. And I'd be far more open to other options being pushed if there weren't so many unwanted children languishing in miserable homes because all the PL crowd isn't all that keen on offering any practical help for all the unadoptable kids out there.
Because he's killed a person with protection under the law. A living, breathing person. Not one half of a parasitic relationship.
No, they don't. They take precautions to prevent an accident. I liken it to using a seatbelt in a car. It doesn't always prevent injury but it's a safety measure.
Yup. I was perfectly clear and it's an argument I'm happy to stand by. :-)
The child is not a child or a baby or an adult. It's zygote, embryo or fetus. The z/e/f isn't afforded and rights before viability when the woman gestating it can hand over her baby to someone else to care for it.
The same list I gave you as a start. I don't think it's ever something that should be forced. Children should be wanted, loved and able to be cared for when they have the neural capacity(in a normal child)to realize what's happening. A fetus previability doesn't have the set down neuro pathways that a term baby has.
Biologists define symbiosis as the relationship between two creatures who rely upon each other. The relationship is called mutualistic if both creatures benefit; if only one benefits, the relationship is called parasitic. And that's why I call it parasitic. There are no benefits to a woman forced to gestate.
There are plenty of women who have planned and very much wanted pregnancies who don't experience that falling in love moment when their child is born that they've been assured they'll have.They're usually lucky enough to have some support. Combine an anticlimactic birthing experience with socioeconomic struggle, lack of a support network, and, most likely, the stresses of lone parenthood and you've just set up the perfect conditions for abuse and neglect. Personally, I don't think it is in the child's best interests.
Likewise. It's refreshing not to be called a baby killer, etc. And you're actually sticking around rather than a drive by posting screaming that we want to murder every child!