Ways to reduce abortion?

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Ways to reduce abortion?
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Sun, 01-13-2008 - 11:08pm

I know PL are working to reduce abortion, limit abortion and end abortion.

 "Pascal's Wager," which states that believing in God costs you nothing if you're wrong, and wins you everything if you're right.

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Tue, 01-22-2008 - 11:34am


Weeeell kind of. The

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Tue, 01-22-2008 - 10:37am
Yes, it was not pleasant at all (I say as though I remember from personal experience). It did show the monarchy who was boss though, didn't it. The 18th-Century Americans had no idea what they were talking about when they spoke of living under tyranny. They should have lived in France.




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Tue, 01-22-2008 - 9:35am
Yes, that was a rather dour period in British history wasn't it?

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Tue, 01-22-2008 - 4:55am
<For the record CWA is the OLDEST women's org in the country.
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Tue, 01-22-2008 - 4:51am
The Puritans under Cromwell banned Christmas altogether, considering it a pagan observance rather than a Christian one.

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Mon, 01-21-2008 - 7:37pm

"I am not even a Bible Thumping Christian."

Wow! This is ironic, especially considering your previous post on the term "bible-thumping:"

"I never said persecute - as in kill, deny work, dominate or relocated. I mean in a disrespectful, hatefull, resentful way to joke about or degrade or dismiss one because of Christianity - ie: Bible Thumper,"

So it's okay for you to insult these people, but not okay for anybody else? I would think differently if you said you were a "Bible Thumper" and were proud of it, but aren't you insulting them just as much by trying to distance yourself from them?

"I referee to LOWES dismissing Christmas with trying to call a Christmas Tree by another name as not to offend those who are not Christian."

Sounds like a nice effort on their part to make everyone who doesn't celebrate Christmas feel included. I appreciate their effort, even though I celebrate Christmas myself and have no problem with a private entity selling Christmas tress.

"Lowes only made this attempt at change because the secular, atheist and others have been crying out for changes like this."

So? This country only granted women the right to vote because a bunch of women were crying for a change like that. It was Lowe's directors' decision to make the change. There were no laws requiring them to do it.

"Why? Because there is a social battle against Christianity in this Country by several minorities who feel threatened by the faith."

Are they threatened by the faith, or by the power of those who practice it? Atheists aren't trying to stop Christian children from praying in school, as you indicated in an earlier post. That would be absolutely impossible as no one can police your own personal thoughts. I must have prayed 1,000 times before a test, and no one was the wiser. What they were campaigning against is the tendency of some schools to assume that since "everybody's" Christian, it would be okay to start official meetings with a Christian prayer. They are campaigning against the people who would make reciting the Lord's Prayer required in every public school, as it was when my parents were kids. That is far different from telling children they're not allowed to pray on their own time. This is not far from the people who would post the Ten Commandments in the courthouse, since only a couple of those actually relate to U.S. common law.




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Mon, 01-21-2008 - 2:51pm

I think all the ideas to "reduce" abortion are easier said than done. We can all day be more open with children but with some parents that won't happen.

My mother found out I was having sex at 15. I always used a condom but once she found out she wanted me on the pill. I went on it but we never told my father. When I was 17 he found out and all hell broke loose. He did not want me to have sex until marriage and he was horribly mad that my mother put me on the pill.

There was no compromise with my father because it was against his religion to have sex before marriage. I am not his religion. He was mad for a few weeks and then just pretended nothing ever happened but I knew if he was the only one raising me he would have never put me on the pill.

Now I am 24 and have never had an oops and am also married to the first guy I ever had sex with.

As an adult, I protect myself but should I get pregnant I would abort. I hope it never happens but it is the choice both my DH and I agree on.

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Mon, 01-21-2008 - 1:54pm
hello!! well, first we need to be more open with our children. teach them that yes, you can get pregnant after the "first time"...keep the lines of communication open...watch your kids for any difference in behavior...dont try to sweep things under the rug...if you dont know how to talk to your kids about sex, contact a therapist or someone who could help you...and realize that even "good kids" have sex at an early age. i heard sex as likened to a pool-adults tell them the kids how fun it is, how good it feels to jump in the water, the kids watch tv and see how much fun people have swimming-but then you dont teach your kids to "swim". so its no wonder that theyre not prepared for the repercussions. you need to teach your kids how to protect themselves against diseases and unwanted babies...and if you as an adult dont want a kid, then protect yourself as well. dont fool yourself into thinking it cant happen to me...as far as cases of rape, thats a gray area-the only thing that could help reduce abortion is maybe when a person makes an appointment for an abortion, they are given a pamphelet for adoption-and given 48 hours to think about it. they educate women about breastfeeding and how good it is-yet people still choose formula after becoming educated. abortions could happen the same way...just my opinion...and for the record, i am prolife, but i dont think i have a right to decide what other people will do or what they choose for themselves as im not them, im not in their shoes...
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Mon, 01-21-2008 - 12:53pm

For the record CWA is the OLDEST women's org in the country.

 "Pascal's Wager," which states that believing in God costs you nothing if you're wrong, and wins you everything if you're right.

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Mon, 01-21-2008 - 12:03pm

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Yup- and next to the St. Nicholas ornament is a ceramic pentagram on our holiday tree.
And JFTR, the trees were ORIGINALLY pagan symbols, AND most earlier Christian groups strenuously objected to the trees, LOL! Funny how time works things around! In any case, the roots will show it to be a Pagan tree, and for that reason, perhpas all people and corporations should change it's name to the "Pagan Trees".

<Pagan origins, Christian adaptation, & secular status

"Many Americans celebrate both Christmas and Xmas. Others celebrate one or the other. And some of us celebrate holidays that, although unconnected with the solstice, occur near it: Ramadan, Hanukkah and Kwanzaa." John Silber 1

Overview:

Some have traced the Christmas tree back at least as far as the Prophet Jeremiah who wrote the book Jeremiah in the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament). Opposition to the Christmas tree was strong in past centuries. The early Christian Church in the third century strictly prohibited the decoration of their houses with evergreen boughs. The decorated Christmas tree only caught on in the mid-19th century. Modern-day opposition continues: some condemn the Christmas tree because they believe it to be a Christian symbol; others condemn it because they believe -- incorrectly -- that the custom of cutting down a tree, erecting it in the home and decorating it is a Pagan custom. 1 For many people today, it is primarily as a secular symbol of hope for the New Year and the future return of warmth to the earth. Its future is assured in spite of opposition.

Objections to the Christmas Tree:

In the past, there have been many objections to Christmas trees:
bullet The Prophet Jeremiah condemned as Pagan the ancient Middle Eastern practice of cutting down trees, bringing them into the home and decorating them. Of course, these were not really Christmas trees, because Jesus was not born until centuries later, and the use of Christmas trees was not introduced for many centuries after his birth. Apparently, in Jeremiah's time the "heathen" would cut down trees, carve or decorate them in the form of a god or goddess, and overlay it with precious metals. Some Christians feel that this Pagan practice was similar enough to our present use of Christmas trees that this passage from Jeremiah can be used to condemn both:

Jeremiah 10:2-4: "Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not." (KJV).


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