What should happen??

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What should happen??
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Sat, 06-13-2009 - 5:22am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iD97OVJ4PNw

An interesting video asking PL if abortion was made illegal and what the penalty should be.

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Registered: 04-20-2009
Thu, 06-18-2009 - 11:28am

"IMO 10 abortions shows clear abuse.....so here are new choices........carry the next pregnancy to term ,or have a tubal. It still gives woman a choice."

I think this is such a slippery slope. Who gets to decide what number constitutes abuse of abortion? For you, it seems that 10 is the magic number. But some people think 5 is abuse, some think 2. Some people think any abortions besides maternal health is abuse. So who gets to decide? I think a woman who has 10 abortions to try and trap a man has serious psychological issues and I think she needs help. But it's not fair to use her as a basis to deny me or any other woman full access to health care.

I also don't quite understand how you would force a woman to carry a pregnancy to term. If abortion is legal, it would seem she could just go to another abortion doctor who doesn't know her history. How would that be stopped?

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Registered: 06-17-2007
Thu, 06-18-2009 - 2:35pm

I don't know, this sounds an awful lot like forced sterilization for women who keep having children while on welfare.

Is the scenario of a woman having 10 abortions so common that we need to discuss legislation for punishments for it? Can't we just be appalled by it? Honestly, I'd far rather Congress spend its time working on the economy instead of worrying about the maybe five people in this country who have had 10+ abortions.




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Registered: 04-03-2005
Thu, 06-18-2009 - 6:01pm

"Noone may shout to the streets, but records of some sort would have to be kept for medical purposes.."


There are... However, those are protected via HIPPA. The records would also be inadmissable in a court of law, unless the patient signs a release stating that any prosecuter wishing to obtain the records was allowed to. Now, I think there's some legal wiggle room what with a prosecuter being able to get a judge to order a subpoena for a facility's collective medical records... However, because of HIPPA, they are not allowed to use ANY information that is personally identifiable to a particular person (meaning, they can use all the patient charts to sit there and say "Well, Dr. X provided the following services... 42 abortions before 9 weeks gestation, and 27 before 24 weeks gestation.", but they can't say "He provided Sally Anne, Mary Sue, Betty, Lina, abortions before 9 weeks gestation"). And, no judge in their right mind is going to sign a subpoena order to obtain the medical records of an idividual to be used against them in a court of law. Right to Privacy. Because not only will that Medical Record contain information about any alleged abortions... It will also contain a patient's past medical history. There will be information in there that is irrelevent to what they're trying to prove. And, that information isn't anyone else's business.


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Registered: 04-03-2005
Thu, 06-18-2009 - 6:15pm

"Perhaps that NOW thier choice is carry any future pregnancies to term or have a tubal."


So... Basically... You're saying "After you've had X amount of abortions, you have two choices: Forced Gestation, or Forced Sterilization."? What about the other end of the spectrum? Those that have TOO many kids (and, the term "too many kids" is subjective to whatever number people want to assign to it)... Is it okay to tell them "Okay... You have X amount of kids, so you have two choices next time you get pregnant: Forced Abortion, or Forced Sterilization." It's just as equally abhorent.


"she would get PG on purpose to trap men and then give them the choice of staying with her or paying for the abortion....."


While I think that's an incredibly messed up situation... It really doesn't effect me... It's between her, her uterus, and the man/men that knocked her up.


"That really needed to be stopped IMO."


Could have been stopped relatively easy by someone giving whichever Dude-of-the-Month the heads up. A simple comment of "Heads up, buddy. Wrap it up... She's got a history of purposely getting pregnant on the sly to try to trap a guy..." Men who don't want kids? I find if you inform them of the "want-a-baby-at-whatever-cost" fever a woman might have... They typically tend to find someone else to... er... You know.


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Registered: 03-26-2003
Thu, 06-18-2009 - 9:52pm
I hate to say this, but there are PLENTY who do think of this already. Those who want to see penalties for abortion want those penalties applied to the medical professionals who provide them and any other individuals involved other than the women who have them. I've already heard only too many saying that while they deplore the act of murdering Tiller, Dr. Tiller should have been treated like the "murderer he was" and been imprisoned.

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Thu, 06-18-2009 - 9:56pm
And what about those of us who could just drive into Canada?

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Thu, 06-18-2009 - 9:59pm

>Who gets to decide what number constitutes abuse of abortion? For you, it seems that 10 is the magic number. But some people think 5 is abuse, some think 2. Some people think any abortions besides maternal health is abuse. So who gets to decide? <


EXACTLY! One poster posited here that every woman who went in for an abortion should be sterilized.

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Sandy
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Registered: 08-15-2008
Thu, 06-18-2009 - 10:28pm

Are you seriously suggesting doctor's books be watched and monitered?

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Thu, 06-18-2009 - 11:40pm
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However, I don't have to fill out paperwork for every bottle or case of wine I buy.


IMHO, to track and limit a women's access to reproductive health care in this manner violates her rights.>>


I have a right to drink (since I'm of legal drinking age), but does that also mean that I have a legal right to drink and drive, or act in a lewd manner in front of people while drunk? I mean it's my body, it's


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Registered: 01-15-2008
Thu, 06-18-2009 - 11:42pm

<<I'd think some form of counselling to be more in order here. She has some serious issues that a sterilization won't cure.>>


why not make her have both?



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