An interesting video asking PL if abortion was made illegal and what the penalty should be.
"First...thanks for only copying half the sentance...it takes the whole thing out of context ;)"
No it doesn't. The second half of the sentence was relating to public intoxication... Which, believe it or not, *DOES* have risks that can effect people other than the intoxicated person.
"Second.....according to PLers Abortion does exactly the same as Drinking and Driving."
PL'ers also are fond of equating z/e/f's to full-term, born infants... They can say ANYTHING they want... However, just saying it doesn't make it so.
"Third...If you're just walking down the street really Hammered cops can pull you over and put you in jail."
Yeah. That they can. However, public intoxication has risks to it that can effect people OTHER than the drunk person. A person's rights end where another person's begins.
"Walking down the street hammered doesn't put anyones life in Jeopardy..."
Sure it does. What happens if the drunk person stumbles off the sidewalk, and into on-coming traffic? That can cause an accident, thus putting other people's lives in jeopardy. Those that are highly inebriated can also become violent and beligerent with no warning. Ever see what happens sometimes at clubs? I've seen it a few times. A drunk person thinks that someone gave them a "look" or they think someone said something to them that they're offended by... Then, they just start hauling off and hitting people. Now, will *EVERY* drunk-as-a-skunk person do this? Of course not. However, there is the real risk of this happening, and, when the safety and well-being of other's is threatened, precautions must be taken to ensure public peace and safety.
"and yet you can still go to jail, especially as a repeat offender."
And, I've demonstrated at least one example as to why. Now, besides the examples I gave, public intoxication is still against the law. It is illegal. Abortion is not. Therefor, it's an apples-to-oranges comparison.
"So you support one persons choice to be able to do whatever they want with thier body but not anothers....interesting."
No, I support EVERYONE'S right to do whatever they want with THEIR OWN BODY. However, like I've said. One person's rights end where another's begin. If a person wants to sit there and drink until they give themselves cirrhosis of the liver... So long as they have the legal right to do it... Have at it. Yet, if their actions BECAUSE of their choices impeed on other people's rights... I have an issue with that.
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"Not entirely true...people have wond up on check systems for trusting that thier paycheck was deposited and having the bank attempt to re-cash bad checks multiple times."
The same thing essentially happens, though. A check was written when there were not sufficient funds to cover it. Whether the person knowingly does this or not, it doesn't change the fact. And, the owner of the checking account DOES have the option to "take care of it" by repaying the financial institution for the loan... However, if they allow their accounts to remain over-drawn for an extended period of time to the point that the account closes, that's essentially theft. And, note that you said "the bank attempts to re-cash bad checks multiple times." If a bank is doing that, they're giving the person enough chances to say "Oh, okay... Something happened. We'll give you the benefit of the doubt, and trust YOU that you've taken care of what the situation was."
"I don't understand how knowing hoe much cold medicine I buy isn't violating my right to privacy but knowing how many abortions I have is. Seriously! Just sayin'!"
Actually, to a degree it is. But, cold medication is also purchased OTC. Because it's OTC, it is not protected under HIPPA. If you had a cold medication PRESCRIBED to you by the doctor, and you have the pharmacist fill it... That's protected information. Even if the prescription stuff has the EXACT same ingredients as the stuff on the shelf in the "Cold & Flu" isle, they cannot dispense that information to anyone. Because it's HIPPA protected.
"At any rate say my idea worked there would be a system in place to distinguish medically necessary abortions from purely elective ones."
But then we get to the slippery slope point of what determines medically necessary. So, it wouldn't work.
"I mean I doubt a majority of the women who are having medically necessary abortions are doing it at Planned Parenthood ;)"
Why not? Do you have health insurance? I know a lot of people that don't. A traditional OB/GYN's office may charge a LOT more for an abortion (whether due to
That is irrelevant to the analogy. My alcohol usage is not documented before I obtain it. Nor should my abortion history before obtaining an abortion., It's a violation of HIPAA and my rights to reproductive healthcare.
I support Assisted Suicide. SO I certainly won't support denying a woman the right to choose her reproductive processes- even if she aborts 12 times a year. It's no one's right but hers to make that choice.
Well, then *I* believe those who don't have adequate resources should be sterilized. Bring all of your documentation to the clinic ladies- proof of adequate housing, your own earned income, health, life and homeowners insurance, vehicles in good working order and proper insurance on them, proof of good health including mental status (please provide copies of ALL pertinent records from providers) disability insurance, and a hefty emergency fund. Otherwise- line up at OR 2 for your Complimentary Sterilization.
So women under your system, would lose the right to have their medical records private?
No it doesn't. The second half of the sentence was relating to public intoxication... Which, believe it or not, *DOES* have risks that can effect people other than the intoxicated person.>>
PL'ers also are fond of equating z/e/f's to full-term, born infants... They can say ANYTHING they want... However, just saying it doesn't make it so.>>
I could apply the same logic here...just because you say that drinking and driving or public intoxication are always dangerous doesn't make it so.
<<Walking down the street hammered doesn't put anyones life in Jeopardy..."
Sure it does. What happens if the drunk person stumbles off the sidewalk, and into on-coming traffic?>>
What if they don't they're being arrested for something that has what a ....2% chance of happening? I can understand being arrested for DWI, MUCH higher chance for imminent danger there.
By your own admission just because something is legal doesn't mean someone should be allowed to do it. I'm glad we see things the same way there ;)
Actually, to a degree it is. But, cold medication is also purchased OTC. Because it's OTC, it is not protected under HIPPA. If you had a cold medication PRESCRIBED to you by the doctor, and you have the pharmacist fill it... That's protected information. Even if the prescription stuff has the EXACT same ingredients as the stuff on the shelf in the "Cold & Flu" isle, they cannot dispense that information to anyone. Because it's HIPPA protected.>>
But you have to give your name and address for certain medications you purchse....same thing I'm proposing (tracking) only done in a way that would only be identified by clinic personnel.
Why not? Do you have health insurance? I know a lot of people that don't.>>
I Ok you said it, so it's on you to prove that the MAJORITY of medically necessary abortions are done in clinics.
Nope but if you buy certain OTC
How is giving someone a CHOICE forcing them to do anything except make smarter reproductive CHOICES?
Gestate, Steralize yourself or find an alternate BC method?
How are those forcing anything on anyone?