What should happen??

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Sat, 06-13-2009 - 5:22am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iD97OVJ4PNw

An interesting video asking PL if abortion was made illegal and what the penalty should be.

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Sat, 06-20-2009 - 1:04pm

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Do you actually think Planned Parenthood would actually give over their records? Their whole purpose is "planned parenthood" vs. your plan of forced gestation or sterilization.

And if you think you could just force them to give over their records, how are you going to do it? Will you just make it Planned Parenthood a government-run organization? What other private businesses will you plan to take over?

This sounds kinda Fascist if you ask me.




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Sat, 06-20-2009 - 1:06pm

Yes, I caught up to you later on, lol!


I realise that you don't actually hold the position you've been arguing here, but just to beat a dead horse this is exactly why people can't be allowed to decide which abortions are ok. I would abort for Downs because I don't think it's kind to knowingly bring a child into the world with that kind of disability, nor is it fair to it's siblings, nor am I confident of my ability to parent such a child.


If I should have a special needs child unknowingly or if (like Erosia), a child born healthy later becomes special needs, well those are the breaks. But if I could prevent it, I would.


And I don't think anyone else has the moral right to tell me that they know better than me what I and my family can handle.


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Sat, 06-20-2009 - 1:16pm

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I do, personally. I would recommend therapy for them, I would advise them of their condition as much as possible, but I do think that the medical decisions of an adult regarding their her or her own body should be their choice.




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Sat, 06-20-2009 - 1:18pm

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Making a note on a piece of paper is one thing; documenting it and entering it into a massive database comprising every person in this country, accessible to every medical clinic or hospital in this country is quite another.

Do you actually know what is done with the information you give the drug store when you go to buy sudafed?




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Sat, 06-20-2009 - 1:20pm

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Nice try. You made the original claim, even if you tried to cloak it in such a way that it sounded like you were just guessing. You prove it.




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Sat, 06-20-2009 - 1:23pm

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Gestate, Steralize yourself or find an alternate BC method?

How are those forcing anything on anyone?>>

Based on this logic, not allowing women to have abortions at all is giving them a choice as well:

Gestate, avoid getting pregnant or stop having sex?

How are those forcing anything on anyone?

As a matter of fact, this precise argument could and has been used by pro-lifers to support banning abortion altogether.




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Sat, 06-20-2009 - 1:27pm

<<10 was just based off personal experience honestly I think after the 1st ELECTIVE abortion something should be done to ensure there is no need for a woman to seek out a second. Or rather with this syetm in place with whatever number abortion this happens to be once the system is in place.>>

Well there we have it. One elective abortion and you're done. Not 10, as you claimed before. And it's nice that you try and pass off the requests for specification here by saying that whatever the system is will be what it will be.

Nicely circular, but you don't get out of explaining why you think women who have had one elective abortion they should either be sterilized or forced to gestate all future pregnancies.




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Sat, 06-20-2009 - 1:37pm

Boy, the descension into bad argumentation here is just awful.

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So, because there's a chance that someone might hack my information, there's no need for me to have privacy guaranteed by the government? That's a pretty big leap. It's both a red herring and an appeal to common practice, which are both logical fallacies.

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My California driver's license would mean absolutely nothing in Vermont, and if I move to a different state, it would mean even less. Using social security numbers instead of names would likely lead to even more serious breaches of privacy, because that number is linked to far more than health records.

There's a reason why most medical organizations give you medical record numbers instead of SSN. It's a bad idea wrt identity theft and loss of privacy.




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Sat, 06-20-2009 - 1:45pm

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Nope, we just look at them as anecdotes and not data. Never once have I used my birth experience with Elizabeth as proof that we should limit other women's reproductive choices. In fact, I haven't used it as proof of any claim I've ever made.

You used your anecdote to show that this is a problem and it must be stopped. I have asked you twice now to show me data that proves your claim that women having 10+ abortions is a common-enough occurrence to warrant legislation.

As of yet, you've failed to establish significance, which means that you cannot satisfy your inherent barriers.

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Absolutely I may, when you use it as the only evidence to support your claim, and you base a proposal for legislation off it.

If you want me to debate the merits of other data, you must provide some to support your claim.




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Sat, 06-20-2009 - 1:48pm

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No, it's not a fair comparison. The system you are talking about is nationwide and comprehensive. Hospital and clinic organizations do not compile records in the status quo, meaning that some PL terrorist who wants to kill people only has access to the person's current record from that particular organization.

In your system, the person would have access to every person in this country who has ever had an abortion. If we went according to your proposal, they'd also have access to everyone's SSN, which would give them access to current address, former addresses, places of employment, etc.




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