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Thu, 08-28-2008 - 9:44pm

Abortion is ok??!! I cant even believe this! Horrible! Yes I am a teen momma because I didnt have an abortion omg imagine if i would of had one, my baby wouldnt be here and I would b a mess. I AM PRO-LIFE:) Be responsible and step up. You had sex, got pregnant, now your a mom.


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Registered: 03-31-2005
In reply to: mommy_nycha
Sat, 10-25-2008 - 4:55pm

My daughter, as a fetus, wanted me to eat nothing but corn dogs all day. Should I have let her?


 
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Registered: 02-20-2006
In reply to: mommy_nycha
Thu, 10-23-2008 - 4:29pm
Yeah, I seem to be full of it today ;)
"The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift."
~Albert Einstein
"The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift." ~Albert Einstein
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Registered: 05-08-2008
In reply to: mommy_nycha
Thu, 10-23-2008 - 4:10pm

lol

Reading that, I actually started laughing. It seemed so cute :p


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Registered: 02-20-2006
In reply to: mommy_nycha
Thu, 10-23-2008 - 3:57pm

Oooh, wait! I'll play...
Let's just say baby does have a say, and baby say's "No, I don't want to be born to a person who cannot afford to take care of me properly. No, I don't want to be born and then handed off to god knows who to serve some super moral position of another being, who has nothing to do with my personal situation. No, I would rather someone adopt an already living breathing person, who truly needs a home. No, I would rather not be born to a drug addicted mother. No, I would rather not be born to a person who has no interest in gestating me. No, I do not want to be born and be a constant reminder of a rape or incest. No, I do not want to be born and take food out of the mouths of already born children in my family."

So, since you think the woman should be such a martyr for the sake of baby, and since you think babies actually think about this prior to birth, then let's go. I mean really, how do you know that it isn't in god's plan for this "baby" to martyr itself on it's family's behalf.

"The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift."
~Albert Einstein
"The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift." ~Albert Einstein
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Registered: 06-17-2007
In reply to: mommy_nycha
Thu, 10-23-2008 - 2:19pm

"What I want to know is where does the baby's choice come into play? OH! That's right it doesn't. The living and breathing being that is inside of that mother has no say so on the topic that is ultimately going to affect its life the most."

And how exactly is an embryo going to speak to have a "say"?

Born children with serious and/or terminal illnesses do not get to have a legal say in their treatment either. How is this any different?

If we give a fetus a choice, besides the obvious logistical problem of determining how to understand its choice, you have the issue that the mother must then be subjugated to the fetus. My daughter, as a fetus, wanted me to eat nothing but corn dogs all day. Should I have let her?

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Registered: 04-10-2003
In reply to: mommy_nycha
Thu, 10-23-2008 - 7:36am

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.....is not EVEN a proper term for a medical procedure. I think you *might* be referring to intact D& Es- that DO have a place in the medical roster when it's the SAFEST possible choice for the woman.

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There isn't a *baby* until birth. Until that point the zygote, embryo or fetus exist in a rather parasitic relationship to the woman. Due to the nature of the inherent short and long term s risks associated with gestation and childbirth or abortion, she and she alone is the sole arbiter of which of those risks she chooses to assume. Two entities cannot have equal rights over her body. Since she is the one who has inhabited it since her birth, and must live in it and undergo all of the risks and burdens associated with these processes until she dies- she is the ONLY one who gets that right, between the two. Whichever way she chooses, she is responsible for assuming the relative consequ3ences of that choice. You ma not *like* the way she meets that responsibility- and that's OK. It's NOT your body, NOT your health, NOT your life and quite frankly: NOT your business in any way, shape or form. Your opinion will form not barrier to her access and right to medical care and choices.

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NO problem. The woman is the only one who gets a choice when faced with an unwanted pregnancy- as IS her inherent right to autonomously administer her health care choices, and her right to do so in [privacy with her medical care professional. I knew you'd see reason - good job!

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Actually, it is YOU who needs to research this.
Wait- I'll be nice and do it for you:

"The lungs of a fetus do not function in oxygen transport...NO BREATHING
OCCURS IN UTERO. The fetus receives oxygen from the mothers blood by
diffusion across the placenta. When the baby is born the first breaths are
taken. "

You're quite welcome- and quite wrong;-).
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Registered: 04-19-2006
In reply to: mommy_nycha
Thu, 10-23-2008 - 7:32am

>>is where does the baby's choice come into play? OH! That's right it doesn't. The living and breathing being that is inside of that mother has no say so on the topic that is ultimately going to affect its life the most. <<

you do realize there is no air for said fetus to breathe right?

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In reply to: mommy_nycha
Thu, 10-23-2008 - 4:42am

Welcome to the board :)


~What I want to know is where does the baby's choice come into play? OH! That's right it doesn't.~


Here, constitutionally the adult woman's rights take precedence over that of the zygote/embryo/fetus.

 

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Registered: 05-08-2008
In reply to: mommy_nycha
Wed, 10-22-2008 - 11:27pm

For the record, the lung tissue is not even close to being fully functional at 14 weeks. Yes, it works IN THE AMNIOTIC FLUID and baby is practicing breathing in there. This is to help the lung tissue mature and gain strength. Those lungs would NEVER work outside of the mother as they have not yet began to develop a chemical called sufacant (sp?) that keeps the two sides of the lungs from sticking together.

Oh ... an in general, they start to practice breathing at 12 weeks.

Breathing is defined as: Passing or able to pass air in and out of the lungs normally

There is a difference between practicing something and actually doing it or even being capable of it.

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Registered: 10-22-2008
In reply to: mommy_nycha
Wed, 10-22-2008 - 11:13pm

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