Why are people so touchy

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Registered: 04-27-2003
Why are people so touchy
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Mon, 06-09-2003 - 6:47pm
about the term pro-abortion?

"We're not pro-abortion, we're pro-choice!" they shout.

So am I. I support the right of a woman to choose how many children to have, if any. I also support the right to choose any form of contraception she wants, including sterilization and, the right to choose whether to keep an unwanted baby or place it for adoption. If she chooses to keep the baby, I believe to she has the right to whatever support she needs to care for it and if she chooses adoption, she has the right to choose who adopts her baby.

The only thing I can't support is taking the life of a fetus unless there is no other way to save the life of the mother. Does that make me such an awful person?

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Registered: 03-25-2003
Mon, 06-09-2003 - 8:47pm
Because pro-abortion is not always accurate. Pro-choice, in this context, is short for "in favor of abortion being a woman's choice." Many pro-choicers I have known - IRL and on this board - are NOT pro-abortion. They believe that abortion is not right for them, and so on - but don't feel it is something we should decide for ALL women. I'm not saying I agree with that, but at least I understand it. Because I understand it, I'd rather debate respectfully and avoid misrepresenting other posters' opinions and beliefs as much as I can help it.

So... I'd rather debate the actual issues then try (and probably fail) to score cheap points with word choice.

-Deb

 

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Registered: 03-26-2003
Mon, 06-09-2003 - 10:28pm
I think because, while literally proabortion is correct, it carries a negative connotation and implies that the proabortionist is only for one choice...abortion....which isn't true. That's why they prefer the term prochoice...which means they are for all choices, including abortion.
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Registered: 03-19-2003
Mon, 06-09-2003 - 11:17pm
I am PL but I think the term bothers most PC b/c it is usually meant to inflame. I think it also bothers them b/c it isn't entirely accurate.

As a PL it bothers me b/c using that term usually turns a debate about abortion into a debate about terminology -- and that is pretty useless.

Just my opinions.

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Registered: 04-01-2003
Tue, 06-10-2003 - 7:50pm
I get really irritated by PCers that refuse to refer to a baby as a baby. That we must call it an embryo, because that terminology makes it OK to kill it. I have had 4 children, and with 3 different OBGYns, and not once did they refer to my baby as anything but A BABY. It was " Oh, your ahving a baby! (not "Oh, your having an embryo). It was " Here is your baby" (on ultrasound at 6 weeks) not "Oh, here is your embryo". They said "This is your baby's heartbeat" at my 9 week check, not "Here is the fetuses heart beat".

Now this is PHYSICIANS calling a baby a baby. Would it not be a baby if I didn't want it? Since when do personal opinions change the name of something or someone. I think that is ridiculous. I have never had a DR tell me to look at the "products of conception" on the screen or tp listen to the "tissues heartbeat"

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Registered: 03-26-2003
Tue, 06-10-2003 - 8:03pm
Thanks for the mental image...it made me smile :-) Neither did any of my doctors refer to my children as anything but a baby. But then I never went in and told them I didn't want to keep my child...maybe if I had the doctor would have then changed his terminology to fit the situation? Maybe that's how it works?

It's all so ridiculous anyway...call it a fetus, call it a baby...it's still physically the same being, just being called by a different name...I don't understand why some people can't get that.

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Registered: 03-25-2003
Tue, 06-10-2003 - 9:56pm
Yeah, but if you just go with the flow of terminology that doesn't tick anyone off... you can debate the heart of the matter without involving semantics, so I do my best. It's a baby to me too. :)

-Deb

 

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Registered: 03-28-2003
Wed, 06-11-2003 - 12:29am
Marigold,

I'm pro-life too so I do see where you are coming from in your post. However if you really want to see where the otherside is coming from and have them being willing to listen to your points be willing to use terms that don't stop communication. Let's admit the the political side of both groups use terms to paint the other side in a bad light. Pro-abortion implies that everyone in that camp encourage abortion in all cases---it implies that if someone asked their advise that they would push the abortion option down someone's throat. Yes, I know that some folks wouldn't think twice about pushing the abortion option, but it is also true that many who consider themselves pro-choice do not think abortion is the preferred option---rather they want that option to be available. You and I as pro-lifers in many cases are called anti-choicers which in fact is not true because are not against choices----we see bc as an option, we see adoption as an option and as Americans we are not against the freedom that Americans have to make many choices. We simply do not believe that the killing of a fetus is a choice that someone should have because we believe that fetus is a living person that deserves protection. You may feel a term fits and if you are dealing in general terms rather than trying to open a dialog it might be okay---but if you really want to have meanful conversation that will give you insight into someone's mindset it must be realized that to comeout from the getgo using terms that offend you are really cuttin your own throat. I've learned a lot from pro-choicers over the years. I've learned that there are circumstances that many women go through that I'd vever dream of---hardache that I could only imagine. I've learned that in my own community if I want to be able to help someone in need or even share why I'm pro-life that I need to be willing to listen to them and understand what they are going through. You certainly are not an awful person---the question is do you desire to open commication so that you can learn where others are coming from in their thinking. I would rather avoid a term (yield my rights)if it means that it will help the posters learn about eachother (BTW---this in no way stops me from letting others know that I believe abortion is the taking of a human life, rather it is all about respecting others).

Ruth

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Registered: 06-11-2003
Wed, 06-11-2003 - 12:35am
I am new here, but it seems ot me that the term pro-abortion is insulting and implies that certain people are FOR abortion which is not true as far as I know. Pro-Choice is not FOR abortion but rather for each woman to be allowed her own personal choices when it comes to her reproductive abilities and wether she wants to be pregnant or not. I suppose you feel comfy with being called anti-choice or anti-woman?
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Registered: 06-11-2003
Wed, 06-11-2003 - 12:38am
I don't think that PCers call it an embryo to make it ok to kill it, I think you just WANT to see it that way. when it is wanted, of course it is referred to with the terms of endearment such as calling it a baby before it actually one. I affectionately called my unborn child the dragon child for all the pushing and kicking he did, that doesn't make him a dragon though....he was still an embryo/fetus etc.
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Registered: 03-25-2003
Wed, 06-11-2003 - 7:39am
How can you compare calling a fetus a baby to calling a fetus a dragon child? A fetus will eventually be a baby, but a fetus will never be a dragon. Baby is a universal term to describe a young infant, I don't believe that dragon child is;)~Lisa.

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